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leadership，誰就能贏。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:46:01.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:46:15.776000+08:00","text":"我想問三大龍頭、三大巨頭，你們自評，我們今天的主題在講臺灣的主權AI，我們就以WEF這六大戰略支柱，臺灣強在哪裡、弱在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:46:15.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:46:16.457000+08:00","text":"來，副院長要不要先？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭副院長信坤","start":"2026-04-29T10:46:18.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:46:18.138000+08:00","text":"謝謝吳委員……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:46:18.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:46:21.140000+08:00","text":"快速回答，大哉問，但是我覺得很重要。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"彭副院長信坤","start":"2026-04-29T10:46:22.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:46:34.509000+08:00","text":"對，我想中研院能做的就是在六個戰略支柱下，就哪一個我們比較能夠著力的部分先來做，我們不可能包山包海全部做，這部分……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:46:35.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:46:35.790000+08:00","text":"對，您覺得重點我們優勢在哪裡？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:46:38.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:46:39.593000+08:00","text":"弱點在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭副院長信坤","start":"2026-04-29T10:46:39.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:46:53.703000+08:00","text":"我們優勢就是我們擁有的資料庫，還有最近Google也想跟我們合作，所以就他對我們有興趣的部分是哪裡以及他的技術什麼地方比我們厲害，這些我們都在盤點中。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:46:53.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:46:59.687000+08:00","text":"這可能就是在臺灣價值、民主自由的那一方面，我想Google跟我們接觸這是我們的優勢。是的。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:46:59.687000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:47:02.346000+08:00","text":"好，副主委。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員炳宇","start":"2026-04-29T10:47:02.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:47:17.124000+08:00","text":"我想我們的優勢還是比較偏AI硬體的方面，這是我們具有的優勢，但是我們在所謂系統層面、應用方面、需求的這一塊，其實還是比較偏弱。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:47:17.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:47:18.726000+08:00","text":"沒有錯，這也是我看到的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:47:18.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:47:18.806000+08:00","text":"來，次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:47:22.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:47:24.289000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:47:24.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:47:56.905000+08:00","text":"臺灣在2017年開始AI Action Plan第一次的行動計畫，當時科技部在人才還有硬體的部分做了非常多的著墨，經過將近十年，我想在這個部分硬體的成效非常非常明確，現在臺灣的AI server在全球的市占率是九成以上；晶片更不用說，所以我們在硬體上面當然是非常強的。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:47:57.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:48:10.982000+08:00","text":"但如何在這樣的基礎上，就像委員標題所說的急起直追，我想從去年開始政府在推動的重點就可以看出來，第一個是在……","quality":0.755},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:48:11.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:48:28.353000+08:00","text":"好，不用講細節，我自己認為重點是我們的硬體設施確實在布建，國家也在投資，但是我們的人才還是要補強，以及我們在應用端要多強化，這是我的觀察。","quality":0.726},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:48:29.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:48:31.494000+08:00","text":"我們來對應一下，國會要做什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:48:31.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:48:49.319000+08:00","text":"AI基本法我們三讀通過了，謝謝各黨的努力，但是另外一個立法也需要國會來助力的就是你們數發部正在推動的促進資料創新利用發展條例，這也是非常重要的一個立法，我先從國會來切入，你們現在進度到哪裡？","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:48:49.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:48:50.699000+08:00","text":"部版已經出來了嘛，對不對？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:48:51.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:48:53.661000+08:00","text":"是，草案已經在行政院了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:48:54.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:48:55.162000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有push？","quality":1},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:48:55.162000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:48:56.162000+08:00","text":"有，因為……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:48:56.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:48:56.404000+08:00","text":"這個會期會送出來嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:48:56.404000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:49:00.838000+08:00","text":"會送到立院來嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:49:00.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:49:06.001000+08:00","text":"對，我們希望在5、6月能夠通過院會。","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:49:06.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:49:08.183000+08:00","text":"好，我非常期待，好嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:49:08.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:49:18.890000+08:00","text":"我想缺一不可，就是剛剛的六大戰略指標其中一個，其實在法規監理的部分我們要跟上，我就先以國會能幫忙，國會要當神隊友的角度來談。","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:49:20.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:49:26.255000+08:00","text":"接著，在硬體的部分，政府確實投資了AI新十大建設，我們各方面從智慧應用、關鍵技術到數位基磐有一個完整的建構，這就是請國會要幫忙的地方。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:49:26.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:49:51.238000+08:00","text":"我上上週站在這裡，好不容易……那時候預算還沒付委，會影響到311億AI新十大建設的預算，希望國會支持讓我們都關心的尤其主權AI，臺灣不能輸就是要從預算面的支持。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:49:52.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:50:11.240000+08:00","text":"硬體部分，我先說謝謝大家共同的努力，南科國網雲端算力中心在去年底成立了，我們一併也成立了民間一起來合作的臺灣算力聯盟，算是到位了，但就是因為預算受了影響。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:50:11.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:50:20.785000+08:00","text":"臺南沙崙智慧創新算力中心表定的期程是2029年，因為預算被拖延了，我非常擔心，設計標沒有問題，建築標現在在哪裡？","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:50:20.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:50:21.165000+08:00","text":"建築標現在的進程，誰能回答？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員炳宇","start":"2026-04-29T10:50:27.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:50:29.013000+08:00","text":"我請國網中心幫忙回答。是。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"姚副主任志民","start":"2026-04-29T10:50:31.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:50:44.165000+08:00","text":"去年其實已經完成基本設計，現在正在辦理工程細部設計的作業，預計在5月底會完成，在第三季的時候工程就會向外發包。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:50:44.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:50:47.386000+08:00","text":"所以今年的第三季就可以順利發包？對。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:50:47.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:50:53.527000+08:00","text":"當然也期待我們115年度預算還沒審的12.3億能夠順利，好嗎？是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:50:53.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:50:58.228000+08:00","text":"OK，好，這個不能延宕，我會全面持續來監督。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:50:58.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:50:59.008000+08:00","text":"再來，剛剛講硬體，現在講軟體。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:50:59.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:51:16.095000+08:00","text":"我過去2023年對TAIDE的質詢，在整個文本的採用，我們患寡、也患不均，因為數量少的文本，而且領域不夠多元，當時都側重在某些科技的領域。","quality":0.586},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:51:16.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:51:27.805000+08:00","text":"在我不斷地要求之下，謝謝你們再把文化……我最關心文化、藝術，國家文化記憶庫在文化部門的這些部分都放進來了，現在就是擴充再擴充。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:51:28.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:51:52.101000+08:00","text":"但是我也看到問題，我先問中研院，我們TAIDE系統，到現在我看到的應用端還是限於公務跟學術為主，我們有沒有更大的雄心壯志，讓全社會普及應用、商用的可能性，而且多平臺的使用，我們有沒有這樣子的雄心壯志？","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"彭副院長信坤","start":"2026-04-29T10:51:53.362000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:51:56.404000+08:00","text":"吳委員，這部分請我們院內參與TAIDE的同仁來回答。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:51:58.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:51:59.994000+08:00","text":"是，我的老朋友。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"廖所長弘源","start":"2026-04-29T10:51:59.994000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:00.994000+08:00","text":"吳委員你好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖所長弘源","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:00.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:22.521000+08:00","text":"最主要是這樣，我們現在要發展、要大大的應用、百工百業都要用的話，必須要是一個多模態的foundation model，現在中研院因為主委有指示副主委要辦一個AI Team Taiwan，因為行政程序太麻煩了，所以我們現在在TAIDE計畫下面成立一個這樣的小組……","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:22.521000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:24.362000+08:00","text":"自己先做。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖所長弘源","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:24.362000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:26.043000+08:00","text":"對，包括聲音、在座的曹昱研究員……","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:26.043000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:27.423000+08:00","text":"影像、聲音。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖所長弘源","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:27.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:36.248000+08:00","text":"然後影像、視訊，再加上原來的語言，我們把這些東西結合起來，這樣它的應用面就會非常廣。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:36.248000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:37.248000+08:00","text":"就更多元。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖所長弘源","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:36.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:53.895000+08:00","text":"因為當我在edge端能夠處理行為的時候，我就可以把它放到edge端去處理老人家跌倒之類這些問題，或者是居家四周圍的安全維護，很多東西都可以用，包括醫生在病房裡面的這些手術。","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:53.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:01.618000+08:00","text":"對，我當然知道我們擴大運用、結合團隊，但是我剛剛說的那個宏觀的目標，全社會的普及，可以往這個方向來努力吧？","quality":0.766},{"speaker":"廖所長弘源","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:04.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:08.840000+08:00","text":"這個就是要讓它普及到全社會，但是我們foundation model是最困難的部分。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:09.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:12.304000+08:00","text":"好，我知道很困難，但我還是要說出我們要有這個雄心壯志。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:12.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:25.940000+08:00","text":"右手邊我在講的是數發部，我們擁有臺灣主權AI的訓練語料庫，剛剛你們也已經揭露了國際大型語言的模型、Google已經主動跟我們接觸了嘛，對不對？是。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:27.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:28.042000+08:00","text":"那其他的呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:28.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:29.202000+08:00","text":"OpenAI、Claude？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:29.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:34.385000+08:00","text":"Anthropic即Claude的公司、OpenAI，我們都已經接觸了。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:34.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:36.226000+08:00","text":"好，我們主動好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:36.226000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:37.226000+08:00","text":"是，我們非常主動。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:36.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:40.288000+08:00","text":"既然我們就是在跟對岸比賽嘛，對不對？是。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:40.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:45.830000+08:00","text":"好，今天至少知道Google已經接觸，那我們就要把我們的東西好好的深化跟推廣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:46.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:10.229000+08:00","text":"最後一個，數發部有AI產品跟系統的評測中心，我們依據了三個指標……臺灣價值觀、學測的社會科跟國文科來評估現在有的這些系統，依它的準確性、可靠性、公平性、資安跟隱私，你們上路到現在已經檢測了62個小模型、58個大模型嘛，對不對？","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:11.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:20.355000+08:00","text":"接著我要問，TAIDE實在是相當具有進步的空間，我就看臺灣價值觀，我們當然要贏啊！","quality":0.649},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:21.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:36.640000+08:00","text":"可是我們還不是最好的，甚至在國文科跟社會科的評鑑裡頭，我們都還輸給中國的系統，當然也輸給這些國際大的語言資料庫、語言資料的模型。","quality":0.576},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:38.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:39.341000+08:00","text":"數發部可以來說一下嗎？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:39.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:48.747000+08:00","text":"在這個評測裡頭，TAIDE可以給我們一些進步面向的建議嗎？","quality":0.519},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:48.747000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:49.747000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:48.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:52.869000+08:00","text":"因為我是不懂啦，我真的不懂，但是我看到我就覺得我們要贏啊！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:53.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:54.470000+08:00","text":"我們都要贏啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:54.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:55:00.453000+08:00","text":"我可能等一下要拜託黃瀚萱老師幫忙，但我猜跟模型的大小有關啦！","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:55:00.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:55:01.093000+08:00","text":"對啦，當然是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:55:01.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:55:09.557000+08:00","text":"另外一個是因為Gemma 3應該還沒有採用我們語料庫，就我所知應該5月會有……","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:55:09.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:55:10.378000+08:00","text":"要趕快，對啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:55:10.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:55:15.939000+08:00","text":"對，已經有跟我們合作語料庫，我相信會有很明顯的希望。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:55:16.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:55:23.281000+08:00","text":"對，其實這個評測數發部有一個問題，你們評測的時間點跟公布有一點不公平，你知道嗎？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:55:23.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:55:32.603000+08:00","text":"你們沒有把評測的時間……因為有的是前面評測，如果跟後面評測的都擺在一起的時候，我也覺得可能對TAIDE會有一點不公平啊！","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:55:33.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:55:33.203000+08:00","text":"我們會改進。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:55:34.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:55:49.357000+08:00","text":"對，我覺得既然是一個評測，它在各方面的公平或者如評測時間，這些基準都要拉齊，否則我覺得確實會對TAIDE系統的同仁們可能也有一點不公平。是。","quality":0.531},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:55:50.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:55:54.662000+08:00","text":"當然，我們也看到了，為什麼我的命題叫做臺灣要以小搏大？","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:55:55.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:56:17.889000+08:00","text":"我們就從我們能做的強項下手，也是剛剛中研院的副院長一開始所說的，我們的語言資料庫裡頭，我們的內容、文本裡面能夠多有一些臺灣社會可以提供給全球的自由、多元、民主這些臺灣價值的面向，這就是我們能贏的關鍵，好嗎？是。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-29T10:56:18.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:56:31.051000+08:00","text":"今天時間非常有限，不好意思，我也拖到了一些時間，軟體、硬體都重要，但最重要的是立法院的預算趕快審查，趕快通過，AI新十大建設311億，我們一定要朝野共同來支持，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:56:31.551000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:56:32.693857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:56:32.993857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:56:37.279571+08:00","text":"謝謝吳思瑤委員的質詢，請官員回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:56:37.579571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:56:39.865286+08:00","text":"我們現在休息5分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:56:40.165286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:56:41.308143+08:00","text":"休息（10時56分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:56:41.608143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:56:43.322429+08:00","text":"繼續開會（11時1分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:56:43.622429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:56:45.336714+08:00","text":"現在繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:56:45.636714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:56:48.493857+08:00","text":"請吳沛憶委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}