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新加坡我想要問市長我們在發展AI這個產業到底是在幫助中小企業來降低成本還是要發揮創意或者是淪為大者恆大的一個幫兇"},{"start":485.681,"end":502.254,"text":"我們請副主委跟委員報告我們抒發部在採用五大政策工具不論是人才資料算力行銷或者是資金這五個政策工具面向上都非常對準中小企業"},{"start":503.055,"end":524.456,"text":"因為我們是在協助從算力上降低中小企業投入研發AI研發的成本我們提供免費的算力讓中小企業可以進入這一個研發的環境那人才上面我們也特別針對中小企業能夠去提供他們需要的人才的培訓包括獎勵然後補助"},{"start":526.898,"end":551.22,"text":"這些機制那在新創上面的這個資金百億資金的這個投入也是針對新創的這個公司呢去做投入畢竟呢大公司跟小公司還是有差別那小公司他的一個資源也比較少我們也希望說真的能夠協助我們中小企業那最後呢"},{"start":553.257,"end":557.742,"text":"我希望第一能夠落實軟體的產值考核我們行政部門應該要重新檢討AI補助的標準不能只看研發最後就是軟體的出口"},{"start":573.399,"end":588.771,"text":"出口還有商用化的產值我們還是要強調第二要強化人文AI的一個轉化機制請中研院思考一下如何讓研究跟技術能夠落實到生活文化還有運動產業的一些"},{"start":595.488,"end":602.61,"text":"一個集體的藍圖 第三我們要縮短AI造成的一個數位的紅鍋那政府應該針對那九成五感的非科技業的勞工利用AI的功績來提升他們一個產值跟薪資而會讓AI是把那個貧窮差距拉的更大"},{"start":621.815,"end":637.771,"text":"這是我們期待的台灣不能只有台積電這樣一座孤山我們需要整片充滿創意與人文底映的一個綠洲我們大家一起努力謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:26:49.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:27:11.701000+08:00","text":"主席、各位同仁，大家好，有請三個部會的代表。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T11:27:12.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:27:15.684000+08:00","text":"好，請三個部會機關代表上備詢台。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員炳宇","start":"2026-04-29T11:27:15.684000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:27:27.736000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:27:27.736000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:27:28.977000+08:00","text":"三位代表好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:27:30.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:27:41.326000+08:00","text":"今天我要針對AI浪潮中的產業結構與人文深度失衡的問題提出質詢。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:27:41.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:28:12.634000+08:00","text":"首先請教國科會副主委，先前我在經濟委員會曾經質詢過有關運動產業的議題，我們臺灣的運動產業，不管是球拍、球鞋或者自行車，出口產值都是全球名列前茅，但當我們談到AI跟軟體應用的時候，情況卻讓人非常非常失望。","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:28:13.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:29:14.774000+08:00","text":"目前的情況是政府投入大量預算進行AI補助計畫，但是結案之後，我們只看到一堆研究報告成果，卻沒有看到具體的出口產值，反觀來自中國大陸的一個高德地圖app，近期在臺灣市場引起軒然大波，他們憑藉著紅綠燈倒數還有車道導航，就已經有非常強大的AI演算法，直接衝擊我們對對岸軟體發展跟導航系統這樣一個軟體智慧的思維，我要請教副主委，上週總質詢的時候，國發會說有信心做得比高德還要好，國科會的看法呢？","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員炳宇","start":"2026-04-29T11:29:19.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:29:39.584000+08:00","text":"報告委員，其實除了學術界在推動AI研發之外，我們也很積極的推動學術界跟產業界的合作，希望能夠把AI推動到百工百業，所以在這個部分，我們是真的很努力積極在推動當中，我們也滿有信心，因為以臺灣目前的人才跟產業狀況，應該是有機會可以做得到，謝謝。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:29:42.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:30:34.912000+08:00","text":"好，那我們期待可以看到我們的軟體產值，其實最主要是因為我們國家已經投入不少經費在這部分，希望可以看到跟硬體一樣的亮麗產值，所以我們很擔心，為什麼別人能夠把AI做成全世界有感的一個app軟體服務，但我們都是在寫一些程式、看到一些結果報告，我們希望臺灣不要一直停留在製造業的思維，只會做AI晶片、伺服器，卻沒有辦法有自己的軟體靈魂，那我們將永遠只能做別人的代工廠，副主委，你的看法呢？","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員炳宇","start":"2026-04-29T11:30:37.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:30:50.680000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，的確是這樣，所以我們也很積極推動培育系統人才、培育更高端的應用人才，希望能夠協助推動軟體的部分，謝謝。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:30:50.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:30:55.202000+08:00","text":"好，請國科會加油！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:30:57.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:31:28.758000+08:00","text":"接下來邀請中研院，我想有幾個觀點，有人提到臺灣社會長期……這個是中研院院長接受專訪的時候有提到，臺灣社會長期重工商輕文理，人文學科的核心價值在於培養具備格局跟視野的領導者，這與我們之前的觀察不謀而合。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:31:29.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:31:46.842000+08:00","text":"AI的發展不能排除人文，最近兩岸的文化對談也有提到，人類的審美是最後的防線，AI可以生成大量的知識，但是無法注入人生的經驗。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:31:47.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:32:08.687000+08:00","text":"中研院目前編列了1.2億的預算要補助AI在人文跟科學的創新運用，例如用AI來解鎖歷史的文本，或者是發展多模態的基礎跟模型，請問副院長，除了目前的計劃，有沒有更具體的作法，讓這筆1.2億的經費預算能夠產出學術論文？","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:32:08.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:32:31.620000+08:00","text":"如何讓主權AI真正與臺灣自由、民主的創意結合，創造出具備臺灣價值，能產出商業產值的人文AI典範？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"彭副院長信坤","start":"2026-04-29T11:32:33.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:32:34.160000+08:00","text":"謝謝蔡委員的關心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭副院長信坤","start":"2026-04-29T11:32:34.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:32:42.702000+08:00","text":"我們廖院長特別關心，所以過去兩年來我們特別有撥一筆預算在人文這一塊。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭副院長信坤","start":"2026-04-29T11:32:43.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:33:12.737000+08:00","text":"中研院原來就已經有數位文化中心，是已經有資料了，但是就我過去的了解，人文部分的發展不可能那麼快的原因是，比如剛才說要解鎖日治時代的文本，我終於了解其原因就在，比如像民族所做的戶籍謄本，他們是用手寫的，不像用Word、用PDF馬上可以唸。","quality":0.843},{"speaker":"彭副院長信坤","start":"2026-04-29T11:33:12.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:33:18.863000+08:00","text":"因為是用手寫的，不同戶政人員的筆跡不一樣，所以必須要有一些時間去判讀。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"彭副院長信坤","start":"2026-04-29T11:33:19.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:33:21.525000+08:00","text":"這部分我們會持續地努力，應該學習會越來越快。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:33:25.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:33:26.129000+08:00","text":"好，院長承諾要用AI來詮釋嘛！是的。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:33:26.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:33:26.609000+08:00","text":"好，最後我請數發部。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:33:26.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:33:58.664000+08:00","text":"今天要請問一下次長，我就引用金融時報的最新數據，在亞太地區500大高成長的新創公司當中，新加坡跟印度各有101家，南韓有79家，次長要不要猜猜看，我們臺灣有幾家入榜？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T11:34:02.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:34:06.027000+08:00","text":"這個圖上是顯示16家。是16家。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:34:07.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:34:09.749000+08:00","text":"次長要不要再猜猜看，我們臺灣進入前100名的有幾家？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T11:34:16.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:34:17.185000+08:00","text":"不太清楚。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:34:19.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:34:25.210000+08:00","text":"好，在前100名當中，臺灣竟然只有一家，而且排名在第97名。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:34:27.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:34:28.192000+08:00","text":"這說明了什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:34:28.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:34:38.158000+08:00","text":"在AI快速融入商業改變經營模式的當下，臺灣的腳步遠輸日、韓還有印度、新加坡。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:34:39.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:34:53.039000+08:00","text":"我想問次長的是，我們發展AI的這個產業，到底是在幫助中小企業降低成本、發揮創意，還是淪為大者恆大的幫兇？","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:34:53.039000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:34:56.723000+08:00","text":"有請數發部次長。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T11:34:56.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:35:24.928000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們數發部在採用五大政策工具，不論是人才、資料、算力、行銷或者是資金，這五個政策工具面向上都非常對準中小企業，因為我們是在協助從算力上降低中小企業投入研發、AI研發的成本，我們提供免費的算力，讓中小企業可以進入研發的環境。","quality":0.991},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T11:35:25.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:35:46.107000+08:00","text":"在人才上面，我們也特別針對中小企業，提供他們需要的人才培訓，包括獎勵、補助這些機制，在新創上面百億資金的投入也是針對新創公司去做投入的。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-29T11:35:47.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:35:59.159000+08:00","text":"畢竟大公司跟小公司還是有差別，小公司的資源比較少，希望真的能夠協助中小企業。是。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢：最後我希望","start":"2026-04-29T11:36:02.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:36:03.438000+08:00","text":"第一、能夠落實軟體產值的考核。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢：最後我希望","start":"2026-04-29T11:36:03.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:36:27.443000+08:00","text":"行政部門應該要重新檢討AI補助的標準，不能只看研發，最後軟體的出口，商用化的產值我們還是要強調。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢：最後我希望","start":"2026-04-29T11:36:27.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:36:30.866000+08:00","text":"第二、要強化人文AI的轉化機制。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢：最後我希望","start":"2026-04-29T11:36:32.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:36:45.828000+08:00","text":"請中研院思考一下，如何讓研究跟技術能夠落實到生活文化還有運動產業具體的藍圖。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢：最後我希望","start":"2026-04-29T11:36:45.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:36:48.609000+08:00","text":"第三、我們要縮短AI造成的數位鴻溝。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢：最後我希望","start":"2026-04-29T11:36:49.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:37:12.637000+08:00","text":"政府應該針對那九成無感的非科技業勞工，利用AI工具提升他們的產值跟薪資，而非讓AI把貧窮的差距拉得更大，這是我們期待的。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢：最後我希望","start":"2026-04-29T11:37:13.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:37:26.771000+08:00","text":"臺灣不能只有台積電這樣一座孤山，我們需要整片充滿創意與人文底蘊的綠洲，我們大家一起努力，謝謝。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T11:37:27.271000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:37:28.413857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T11:37:28.713857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:37:32.999571+08:00","text":"謝謝蔡春綢委員的質詢，請官員回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T11:37:33.299571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:37:37.299571+08:00","text":"下一位有請羅智強委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}