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謝謝大家"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:37:42.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:37:50.548000+08:00","text":"主席，有請國科會陳炳宇副主委、數發部侯宜秀次長、中研院彭信坤副院長。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T11:37:50.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:37:53.068000+08:00","text":"好，請三個機關代表上備詢台。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員炳宇","start":"2026-04-29T11:37:53.068000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:37:59.684000+08:00","text":"羅委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:37:59.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:38:23.204000+08:00","text":"輝達執行長黃仁勳表示，各國必須擁有獨立的AI基礎建設，其重要性已經超越發展原子彈，他認為建立AI基礎建設對國家而言是絕對必要的，是贏得全球競賽的關鍵，全球至少已經有20個國家著手推動主權AI，臺灣當然不能缺席。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:38:26.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:38:58.199000+08:00","text":"第一，國科會的國網雲端算力中心，是打造主權AI的算力基礎，這一步本來就應該要做，也算是走在前面，這是第一個要肯定的；第二個，中研院跟數發部合作，釋出超過620萬詞元的研究與科普文本，上架到臺灣主權AI訓練語料庫，也願意把多年累積的學術成果拿出來支援本土訓練模型，這一點我也覺得肯定。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:38:59.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:39:16.671000+08:00","text":"我們也看到黃仁勳執行長提出的五層蛋糕理論，最底層的就是電力，AI運作都要電力，能源是萬物之基，所以決定AI系統產出多少智慧的根本就是電力。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:39:18.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:39:28.220000+08:00","text":"在AI時代，算力就是國力，我想要請教一下，以臺灣現在的能源結構，足以支應AI發展所需要的龐大電力嗎？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:39:30.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:39:30.528000+08:00","text":"評估過嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員炳宇","start":"2026-04-29T11:39:32.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:39:41.495000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，在我們國網中心所建置的算力中心當中，我們其實有做電力的評估，基本上是OK的。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:39:41.495000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:39:43.156000+08:00","text":"是OK喔？","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:39:43.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:39:48.459000+08:00","text":"我看到你們在短短3年間的AI算力，這是台綜院的報告啦！","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:39:49.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:40:03.727000+08:00","text":"臺灣目前有36座資料中心，3年內AI算力中心的電力負載規模將是目前的7.5倍，把這些都算進去，你仍然覺得電力是夠的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員炳宇","start":"2026-04-29T11:40:06.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:40:10.630000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，在國科會掌握的部分當中，我們是都有做盤點。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:40:12.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:40:14.692000+08:00","text":"如果核電沒有重啟，夠嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:40:14.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:40:14.933000+08:00","text":"也有評估嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:40:20.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:40:22.450000+08:00","text":"這個評估是有把核電重啟算進去，還是沒算進去？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員炳宇","start":"2026-04-29T11:40:23.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:40:35.661000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為我們的算力中心之前在建置的時候，應該是在之前沙崙的……應該是還沒有把核電重啟這件事情考慮進去，其實就已經是夠的。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:40:36.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:40:46.531000+08:00","text":"是夠的，所以現在政府在計算電力的過程當中，因為缺電而想重啟核三的核電，並不包括AI算力的部分？","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:40:48.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:41:00.699000+08:00","text":"電當然是大水庫啦，也沒有說什麼……你所謂的電夠不夠，也不能說我們的電力夠，AI算力就夠了，AI算力也是占掉電力大餅的一部分，對不對？是。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:41:00.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:41:16.130000+08:00","text":"所以我覺得國科會還是要整個去評估，而不是說你現在去看電力規模，而是要去評估整體電力需求的成長，包括AI電力需求加進來的狀況，要根據實際的狀況去評估。是。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:41:17.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:41:58.632000+08:00","text":"接下來我想請教一下，去年底在YouTube的影片當中有一個有萬人訂閱的陳志明醫師，他宣稱北榮跟臺大醫院發現糖尿病的致病元兇，而且用革命性的細菌療法就可以治癒；另外也有一個影片在網路流傳，內容是臺大醫院肺癌的權威醫師推薦一款可逆轉肺功能的藥物，以及在社群平臺上出現長庚知名中醫推薦宣稱可以改善糖尿病及四肢水腫藥物的廣告；還有三總眼科的名醫推薦眼藥水。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:41:58.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:42:07.815000+08:00","text":"我想請教數發部的侯次長，你知道我剛剛講的這些影片跟廣告有什麼共通之處嗎？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T11:42:07.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:42:10.836000+08:00","text":"就是以專門職業去進行廣告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:42:12.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:42:30.467000+08:00","text":"這些都算鬧得沸沸揚揚，我覺得數發部也要稍微了解一下現在實際的狀況，我剛剛講的這些都是AI生成的，就是以深偽的假人或假冒名人傳播不實訊息甚至賣假藥詐騙。","quality":0.817},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T11:42:31.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:43:03.777000+08:00","text":"事實上，隨著人工智慧日益發展，AI生成的內容真的已經越來越真偽難辨了，很容易讓人誤信為真，我看到對岸在去年9月有強制規定，所有AI生成的文字、圖片、影音內容都必須包括顯示標識以及隱示標識，平臺在服務提供者的內容上架或上線時要進行審核，檢驗生成、合成內容的標識，否則就要加風險提示。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-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