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對不對我們的目標其實是要幫助這些學生回到社會嘛但是如果我們去刪減這些心理支持輔導的次數的時候就會影響到他們未來離開這個學校之後"},{"start":669.079,"end":697.598,"text":"會不會有可能再犯是不是能夠順利銜接這就是一個非常關鍵的地方所以我希望說未來我們在做刪減的時候當然我還是希望因為當天我也是有要求我們的矯正署要把實質的影響具體的提供到我們司法法制的委員的手上那我們所有的委員很清楚的知道你今天三的這筆預算到底對於實質的現場上特別是我們的少年們造成什麼樣子的影響那這份資料我知道是兩個禮拜所以應該是下禮拜會到那我剛剛也有聽到說"},{"start":699.639,"end":728.779,"text":"就是我們的主席他也非常關心我們的監所的一些人權所以我也希望說這份資料我想要再追加是不是可以對於監所的一個處境上面我們的去年的預算刪減實際上對他們的影響是什麼那這樣子我們的委員會接下來要做審查的時候大家會更清楚的知道說我們今天所關心的到底跟預算有沒有關係那我們在預算的刪減的時候或凍結的時候就要更謹慎小心可以嗎這個是不是可以一併的來提供給我們所有的司法法治的委員"},{"start":729.759,"end":742.685,"text":"那接下來就是說在我們未來真的如果委員們下手就是還是有刪減的時候呢拜託可不可以不要去刪減到我們孩子的心理諮商跟特教支持好不好可以嗎好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T09:58:46.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:58:48.474000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:58:48.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:58:48.794000+08:00","text":"有請鄭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T09:58:52.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:58:52.915000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T09:58:53.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:58:53.675000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T09:58:54.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:59:07.440000+08:00","text":"我今天主要想跟部長討論兩個問題，有一個是關於新時代智慧檢察AI科技計畫，另外一個就是跟少年矯正學校有關係的題目。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T09:59:08.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:59:27.496000+08:00","text":"首先，我先來問AI科技計畫，我看到你們的預算裡面有列，但我還是要提醒部長，AI用在司法就要小心再小心，因為一個不小心、一個誤判或出錯都可能影響一個人的人生，部長應該認同我這句話吧？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T09:59:27.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:59:28.617000+08:00","text":"是，這是一個輔助性的。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T09:59:29.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:59:57.630000+08:00","text":"對，但是針對這個輔助性我就想要請教一些細節，因為這個計畫內容裡面包含用AI自動產製案件量大、重複性高的刑事案件結案書類，像是我們最近有非常、非常多的詐欺相關案件，也會透過AI自動生成被害人紀錄，還有訓練AI來分析筆錄、建議偵查方向，並且比對卷宗資料、提供決策建議。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T09:59:57.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:00:04.932000+08:00","text":"我想了解，你們是怎麼形成AI輔助計畫的想法？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:00:05.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:00:11.636000+08:00","text":"是看到其他國家有相關案例或研究，所以這次才做這樣的計畫嗎？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:00:13.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:00:21.651000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，事實上這計畫從111年就開始了，因為運用AI的確可以提升行政效率……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:00:22.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:00:25.332000+08:00","text":"對，但現在有哪個國家有這樣的做法嗎？因為……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:00:25.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:00:29.354000+08:00","text":"我們並沒有用AI來取代所有的書類製作與案件偵察……","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:00:29.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:00:30.174000+08:00","text":"我懂，我的意思是說……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:00:31.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:00:38.257000+08:00","text":"我們之所以要運用，是因為AI是全球化趨勢，因而做了試辦，所以我們現在是試辦的階段。","quality":0.676},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:00:38.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:00:38.517000+08:00","text":"我知道是試辦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:00:41.338000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:00:57.282000+08:00","text":"另外，剛才委員關心有關詐欺的部分，目前起訴的附表，包括被害人與車手取款的附表，是以現在卷證的資料去寫出來的……了解。","quality":0.745},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:00:57.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:01:01.043000+08:00","text":"部長，我關注的是，現在其實還看不到有任何國家透過AI來協助辦案，對不對？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:01:03.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:01:03.323000+08:00","text":"並沒有相關案例，對不對？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:01:03.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:01:03.403000+08:00","text":"我們應該是全世界第一個吧？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:01:03.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:01:04.404000+08:00","text":"以前有某個國家說用AI來辦案，因為……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:01:04.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:01:04.764000+08:00","text":"哪一個國家？這個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:01:04.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:01:04.984000+08:00","text":"我查不到資料。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:01:05.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:01:06.585000+08:00","text":"我是說有一個國家……後來被禁止了，它是用AI、用人工智慧來摘錄，取代所有的案件處理……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:01:06.585000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:01:07.585000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:01:06.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:01:37.723000+08:00","text":"我們現在的計畫內容是只有比較機械型的部分才用AI來做勾稽而已，來作為參考……","quality":0.629},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:01:37.723000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:01:38.723000+08:00","text":"我知道你的意思……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:01:38.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:01:45.908000+08:00","text":"但還是不能盡信，我們也知道委員所關心的重點，所以之後還是需要一一驗證。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:01:45.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:01:50.270000+08:00","text":"我知道，但為什麼其他國家連我們這樣的程度都沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:01:50.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:02:20.781000+08:00","text":"其實大家都不免擔心，相關團體也告訴我們，一般在行政輔助上的風險層級是低的；但若作為辦案輔助來說，風險是相對高的，因為當中其實有很多機敏資料，例如通訊資料、定位資料、金融資料或網路活動紀錄，這些都跟人民隱私有關，若沒有清楚界限，那麼科技偵查可能就會從打擊犯罪慢慢變成擴大蒐集人民的資料，因此只要開始使用，風險就存在了。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:02:21.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:02:33.032000+08:00","text":"雖然現在只是試辦計畫，而我也收到你們的回復，當中提及未來正式上線時，會依照人工智慧法的風險框架去做分析。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:02:33.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:02:47.636000+08:00","text":"所以我想請教部長，數發部的AI風險分類框架已經公布了，法務部預計何時會依照框架對AI科技計畫進行完整的風險評估？","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:02:52.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:02:55.368000+08:00","text":"我們會依照人工智慧基本法來做風險評估……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:02:55.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:02:56.969000+08:00","text":"對，所以我問預計什麼時候？","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:02:58.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:03:01.550000+08:00","text":"畢竟現在已經公布了，你們的排程大概是什麼時候？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:03:01.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:03:03.110000+08:00","text":"還是你們這個計畫不是今年要上線？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:03:03.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:03:07.492000+08:00","text":"這部分我們隨時都有在做檢視。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:03:08.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:03:08.932000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，事實上……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:03:09.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:03:10.792000+08:00","text":"這個計畫什麼時候要上線？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:03:10.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:03:12.153000+08:00","text":"你們預計在什麼時候上線？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:03:14.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:03:15.294000+08:00","text":"這部分我是不是請檢察司副司長來說明？","quality":0.353},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:03:15.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:03:16.594000+08:00","text":"好，可以。","quality":1},{"speaker":"簡副司長美慧","start":"2026-04-30T10:03:19.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:03:38.465000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這是一個三年期的科技計畫，目前為試辦階段，在四個地檢署試辦，因此會蒐集這四個地檢署試辦的回饋意見，希望可以透過科技化的方式來輔助檢察官處理機械性、事務性等事情，不要重複浪費檢察官的人力。","quality":0.835},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:03:38.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:03:44.507000+08:00","text":"所以115年的計畫是延續之前未完成計畫所編列的預算嗎？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"簡副司長美慧","start":"2026-04-30T10:03:44.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:03:47.609000+08:00","text":"從111年開始就是三年期計畫，現在是第二個三年期計畫……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:03:49.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:03:50.370000+08:00","text":"第二個三年期的開始嘛？","quality":1},{"speaker":"簡副司長美慧","start":"2026-04-30T10:03:50.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:03:50.850000+08:00","text":"是，第二個三年期。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:03:51.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:03:53.292000+08:00","text":"第二個三年期你們預計什麼時候要開始？","quality":1},{"speaker":"簡副司長美慧","start":"2026-04-30T10:03:54.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:05.359000+08:00","text":"目前就是第二期的開始，現在都還在試辦當中，我們現在希望可以生成簡易的，像酒駕的書類是用……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:05.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:06.040000+08:00","text":"好，我懂你意思了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:06.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:10.362000+08:00","text":"也就是說你們現在已經開始了，是延續性計畫，對不對？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"簡副司長美慧","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:10.362000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:11.362000+08:00","text":"對，試辦。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:11.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:20.510000+08:00","text":"不過因為過去並沒有AI風險分類框架，過去數發部也沒有，但現在已經有了，所以是不是可以依據該框架來做完整的風險評估？","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"簡副司長美慧","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:21.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:32.643000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，就初步研判與檢視，我們認為不至於產生人工智慧基本法第五條所列之高度風險，目前的研判是不至於，將來正式上線時，我們會按照人工智慧基本法的規定來處理。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:33.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:36.308000+08:00","text":"沒問題，請把你們的評估報告送到司法及法制委員會，好不好？","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"簡副司長美慧","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:36.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:37.869000+08:00","text":"好，是，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:37.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:38.470000+08:00","text":"什麼時候可以送給我們？","quality":1},{"speaker":"簡副司長美慧","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:39.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:40.584000+08:00","text":"如果一個月……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:41.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:42.665000+08:00","text":"你們都已經做完了，不是嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:42.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:43.646000+08:00","text":"既然評估都沒有問題，為什麼還要一個月？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"簡副司長美慧","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:43.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:47.349000+08:00","text":"我們只是初步的檢視評估，若要提供給委員的話，就要寫得再更完整一些。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:48.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:49.411000+08:00","text":"這樣要一個月嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:49.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:50.572000+08:00","text":"應該只是強化而已吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:51.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:51.813000+08:00","text":"兩個禮拜可以嗎？好，是。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:51.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:52.334000+08:00","text":"好不好？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"簡副司長美慧","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:53.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:53.815000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:04:54.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:04:59.240000+08:00","text":"再來也是一個提醒，也就是AI偏誤的問題。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:05:00.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:05:08.789000+08:00","text":"基本上我們倒給AI什麼樣的資料，AI就會產出什麼樣的結果，所以倒資料這件事就要非常、非常小心。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:05:09.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:05:25.343000+08:00","text":"我想要了解的是，因為司法資料從來都不是中性的，可能有哪一些案件經常被偵辦，有哪些族群經常被盤查，哪些地區可能被列為高風險，哪些人的說法可能比較容易被信任，這些都可能放在資料裡面。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:05:26.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:05:30.127000+08:00","text":"因此我想了解，目前在試辦時有沒有做相關的偏誤測試或檢測？","quality":0.731},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:05:30.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:05:42.657000+08:00","text":"酒駕跟詐欺案件有做這樣的……現在試辦的就是用酒駕跟詐欺案件……","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:05:42.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:05:45.318000+08:00","text":"酒駕跟詐欺，是嗎？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:05:45.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:06:00.806000+08:00","text":"我想請問，酒駕與詐欺可能會牽扯到不同樣態的被害人，也可能會有兒少，可能也會涉及性別的部分，所以是不是會邀請外部專家一起來評估？","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:06:03.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:06:09.396000+08:00","text":"會不會因為這些人相對比較弱勢，造成系統資訊上的偏誤？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:06:10.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:06:19.169000+08:00","text":"或者他可能比較不善於表達，於是在AI的資料上就讓他承受了更高的被標記的風險，有沒有可能？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:06:20.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:06:30.136000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實現在AI只是輔助工具，而且是以現有的卷證資料去做擷取勾稽而已……","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:06:30.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:06:36.240000+08:00","text":"我知道，但卷證資料就是可能會有偏誤，尤其經過大量訓練之後，所以我才想問是不是有偏誤測試？","quality":0.675},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:06:36.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:06:42.224000+08:00","text":"還是需要人工去做最後的確認。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:06:43.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:06:46.827000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我們會再了解你們是如何去做資料的訓練，好不好？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:06:47.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:06:50.808000+08:00","text":"而且我們AI的資料並不是從外面蒐取的……","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:06:50.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:06:51.048000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:06:52.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:06:56.851000+08:00","text":"因為我們是用人工去挑、去整理……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:06:56.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:06:56.971000+08:00","text":"沒關係……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:06:57.051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"start":"2026-04-30T10:10:44.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:10:57.425000+08:00","text":"接下來，未來如果委員們真的下手，就是還是有刪減的時候，拜託可不可以不要去刪減到我們孩子的心理諮商跟特教支持的經費，好不好？","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-30T10:10:57.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:10:57.665000+08:00","text":"可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T10:10:58.165000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:11:02.165000+08:00","text":"是，我們會儘量爭取，謝謝委員。謝謝。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T10:11:02.465000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:11:03.893571+08:00","text":"謝謝張委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T10:11:04.193571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:11:08.193571+08:00","text":"接下來，我們邀請沈發惠委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}