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party但是就绝对不会在立法院感谢谢谢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:14:20.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:14:22.357000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請廖院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T09:14:22.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:14:23.377000+08:00","text":"有請廖院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T09:14:23.377000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:14:29.123000+08:00","text":"柯委員早。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:14:29.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:14:29.523000+08:00","text":"院長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:14:30.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:14:43.429000+08:00","text":"誠如剛剛主席所提到的，領軍中研院十年，廖院長橫跨了蔡總統跟賴總統兩位總統，以你個人經驗，你覺得這兩位總統中，你跟他見面次數比較多，然後也比較願意接受你的建議的是哪一位？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T09:14:44.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:14:49.092000+08:00","text":"兩個都差不多，事實上，跟蔡總統……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:14:49.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:14:52.454000+08:00","text":"中研院非常強調量化，你應該告訴我們哪個次數比較多一點？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T09:14:52.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:14:55.115000+08:00","text":"事實上我們是強調重質不重量。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:14:56.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:14:57.677000+08:00","text":"那哪一位的質比較好？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T09:14:59.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:15:15.311000+08:00","text":"討論的面向不一樣，跟蔡總統是一到兩個月，最多三個月會約見面一次，有時候也會帶我們院裡的一些同仁、院士……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:15:15.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:15:15.691000+08:00","text":"那賴總統呢？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T09:15:15.691000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:15:25.011667+08:00","text":"賴總統是一個月一次，會談有關減碳的問題，比較聚焦在減碳的問題。喔！","quality":0.172},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:15:25.011667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:15:34.332333+08:00","text":"好，等一下我們會來談一個減碳的問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:15:34.332333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:15:43.653000+08:00","text":"果然是我們的院長，講話四平八穩，既重質又重量。","quality":0},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:15:43.653000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:15:52.973667+08:00","text":"好，我們懂了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:15:52.973667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:16:02.294333+08:00","text":"當初你提出了三大願景目標，但是我比較在乎的，這點過去我在質詢臺上也都曾經提出過，就是我們希望可以打破重理工、輕人文的現象，我想這也是你應該給我們新任的陳建仁院長一個非常重要的建議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:16:02.294333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:16:11.615000+08:00","text":"從預算的編列上來看，雖然你做了非常多，也設立了人文社會博士菁英獎等等之類，希望學生能夠投入，但無可否認，人文社會部分的經費占比永遠只有兩成左右，這怎麼辦？","quality":0.014},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T09:16:11.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:16:21.458000+08:00","text":"我想重視的程度不能以經費多寡來判斷，特別是人文社會科學的研究，因為比較不需要貴重的儀器，不像生命科學……","quality":0.617},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:16:21.458000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:16:43.946000+08:00","text":"是，但是我還是要提醒院長，其實我跟你們人文社科的研究員都有接觸過，他們甚至覺得他們所得到的研究經費，通常都只是理工科的零頭而已，舉例來說，你們的明清研究推動委員會，事實上在國際上是享有名譽的，但預算上常常就是砍半，而且更多時候是要各籌經費。","quality":0.036},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:16:43.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:16:52.313000+08:00","text":"另外，你剛剛提到的南院，有很多人希望南院能夠落實人文社會科學的永續發展，而不是像目前的實驗型計畫。","quality":0.689},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:16:53.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:17:03.082000+08:00","text":"我提出這些意見只是要提醒院長，你即將交棒給陳建仁院長，希望能給他更多這方面的提示，因為這是中研院非常多人很期待的，好不好？","quality":0.679},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T09:17:03.082000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:17:05.162500+08:00","text":"好，我們會朝這個方向發展。","quality":0},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:17:05.162500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:17:07.243000+08:00","text":"因為時間非常有限，接下來要跟你討論的是淨零科技的問題。","quality":0.28},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:17:07.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:17:24.530000+08:00","text":"淨零科技是你跟蔡政府所提出來的，而且去碳燃氫被蔡總統認為應該要優先的部分，這點我也給予肯定，因為2023年在興達電廠時，事實上它是成功運轉的，可是這一次的經費比去年還增加六成，沒有錯吧？","quality":0.537},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:17:25.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:17:26.751000+08:00","text":"請問目前的研發進度是如何？","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:17:27.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:17:49.616000+08:00","text":"我以你們跟台電的分工來看，中研院已經提早做好系統，但還要等台電購買發電機組及建置試驗場域，不過很抱歉，台電12月要決標，卻流標了，到今年4月才又開標，這樣會不會造成你們往後試驗場的建置，及發電測試等等的期程受到延宕？","quality":0.479},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T09:17:50.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:17:55.305000+08:00","text":"據我了解，這已經決標了，詳細情形請陳于高主任說明。","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:17:55.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:18:00.687000+08:00","text":"我們是不是節省一下時間，因為還有其他很多問題要詢問，好，陳主任，怎麼樣？","quality":0.484},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:18:01.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:18:16.073000+08:00","text":"而且我再講一個，你們本來提高的混氫比例是20%，可是國際現在已經是30%了，以目前來看，既然已經成功了，而且對減碳來說有一個很好的效果，你不覺得這20%的比例太保守了嗎？","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"陳主任兼執行秘書于高","start":"2026-05-21T09:18:17.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:18:24.342000+08:00","text":"報告委員，他們決標的是發電機本身，但是現場的工程已經開始進行……","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:18:24.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:18:26.084000+08:00","text":"所以應該不會延宕太久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任兼執行秘書于高","start":"2026-05-21T09:18:26.084000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:18:27.084000+08:00","text":"對，原來我們就有buffer time……","quality":0.294},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:18:26.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:18:27.745000+08:00","text":"我們只要知道這個部分。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳主任兼執行秘書于高","start":"2026-05-21T09:18:27.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:18:28.947000+08:00","text":"所以這部分不會延宕目前的工期。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:18:28.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:18:29.928000+08:00","text":"因為興達5部舊燃氣機組要延役十年，所以我很希望你們趕快發展成功，可以讓我們高雄的空污稍微降低。","quality":0.302},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:18:29.928000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:19:00.583000+08:00","text":"而且你看，政府規劃2025年太陽光電建置目標是達到20 GW，但不好意思，2026年還是設定在20 GW，以目前的進度來說，現在都快到6月了，我很擔心，2025沒有辦法達成，2026看起來有機會達成嗎？","quality":0.101},{"speaker":"陳主任兼執行秘書于高","start":"2026-05-21T09:19:00.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:19:02.628000+08:00","text":"所以我們希望去碳燃氫能儘快發展，補足……","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:19:02.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:19:04.953000+08:00","text":"我們也希望，可是目前為止，你覺得2027年時，我們不會看到還是在20 GW吧？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳主任兼執行秘書于高","start":"2026-05-21T09:19:09.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:19:10.673000+08:00","text":"這個大家都在努力做。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任兼執行秘書于高","start":"2026-05-21T09:19:11.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:19:32.118000+08:00","text":"回答委員剛才問的20%的混氫，現在30%都是機組的極值，如果用極值一直運轉的話，它的保固期沒辦法維持，所以原廠建議是用60%到70%的運轉能量，就是20%。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:19:32.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:19:35.118000+08:00","text":"好，無論如何，我們都非常期待能夠立刻做這個部分。","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:19:35.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:19:52.614000+08:00","text":"然後光電板的部分，雖然我知道你們有研發高效能光電板，因為光電板實在占據我們國土面積太大了，即使是高效能，這樣的土地面積也非常可怕，而且目前已經有重啟核電的可能，你覺得我們臺灣還需要這麼多光電嗎？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:19:53.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:19:57.259000+08:00","text":"因為這個東西的回收會造成很大的環境污染，這是個事實吧！","quality":0.64},{"speaker":"陳主任兼執行秘書于高","start":"2026-05-21T09:19:58.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:20:17.505000+08:00","text":"報告委員，光電板的回收技術本身可以讓光電板回收到百分之九十幾沒有問題，可是市場上有沒有這個需求、能不能夠處理是另外一個問題，這部分等到過了十年、二十年光電板的回收量足夠之後，市場可能就可以消化比較大的量。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:20:17.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:20:24.169000+08:00","text":"我們現在是很困難，我只是希望在發展綠能的時候也能夠保護我們的環境需求，謝謝。","quality":0.629},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:20:25.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:20:29.032000+08:00","text":"最後幾個問題，關於宣傳費的部分，你們比去年增加了300萬。","quality":0.522},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:20:29.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:20:55.448000+08:00","text":"我還是要提醒院長，目前以生醫轉譯研究為例，你們是由生醫轉譯研究中心負責，但是不好意思，你們的YouTube以及包括整個的流量，我要特別提出來，還是遠遠地不如，這個部分等一下在討論的時候可能要給我們一個解釋，這就是我們所看到的媒體成效，因為增加了，我們會給經費，但是這個成效該怎麼做？","quality":0.651},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:20:56.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:21:17.722000+08:00","text":"另外是人才交流，人才交流部分你們有四個計畫，但是通常指導執行的部分，在四個計畫當中，你可以看簡報下面所顯示的，你們的資源都非常強調在年輕學者短期赴國外參加國際研究的部分，你會發現全部集中在這個地方。","quality":0.609},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:21:18.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:21:44.200000+08:00","text":"此外，有關於年輕學者進修，包括赴國外研究及整個交換，說實在的，這個目標跟你們所提到的完全落差很大，而且有關於短期會議的經費當中，你們的決算遠比預算多出非常多，這個都是你們在編列預算的時候早就應該想到的，因為已經連續幾年，你們的決算都比預算高出很多，沒錯吧？","quality":0.598},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:21:45.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:21:46.481000+08:00","text":"今年還會有這個問題嗎？","quality":0.3},{"speaker":"周處長崇光","start":"2026-05-21T09:21:46.481000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:21:47.481000+08:00","text":"報告委員，今年不會再有這個問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:21:47.481000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:21:48.481000+08:00","text":"不會再有這個問題？對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:21:48.481000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:21:49.481000+08:00","text":"那我們就明年再看一下。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"周處長崇光","start":"2026-05-21T09:21:49.481000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:21:50.481000+08:00","text":"先前的預算編列和決算有差距是疫情造成的出國數量延宕。","quality":0},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:21:48.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:22:32.386000+08:00","text":"我說這個東西都要預先想到，我們所有立法委員在這個地方，中研院的預算我們基本上是不會刪，凍結的話就提出報告，所以是給中研院極度的尊重，但是我們還是認為在這個部分裡面，不管是預算、決算，整個的落差不應該都是如此，而且我剛剛所提出來的這四項當中，都是強調在短期國際會議，其他幾項你們也很重視，但其實執行的成效並不好，這部分都是未來中研院在編列預算或在提出計畫的時候應該非常清楚的。","quality":0.613},{"speaker":"周處長崇光","start":"2026-05-21T09:22:32.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:22:34.588000+08:00","text":"是，我們會注意這一塊，謝謝委員。謝謝。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:22:34.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:22:39.862000+08:00","text":"最後請問一下院長，你6月20號卸任之後就返美還是繼續留在臺灣？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T09:22:42.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:22:46.793000+08:00","text":"我會先到美國兩個禮拜，參加兩個國際會議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:22:46.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:22:49.274000+08:00","text":"你不用跟我講那麼細節沒關係，我是說未來式。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T09:22:51.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:22:54.336000+08:00","text":"我會在中研院生化所繼續當特聘研究員。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:22:54.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:22:56.357000+08:00","text":"所以你會繼續留在臺灣做這樣的部分？對。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:22:56.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:23:10.963000+08:00","text":"好，樂見中研院非常好的專家都能夠繼續為中研院效勞，感謝你過去十年的經驗，雖然質詢臺上多有摩擦，但是我們還是肯定你過去十年為中研院做出的成效，不過能夠告別立法院也是好事一樁，好不好？","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-21T09:23:13.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:23:19.309000+08:00","text":"昨天大家雖然給你拍了手，但是我想中研院會給你最好的一個farewell party，可是絕對不會是在立法院，感謝。謝謝。","quality":0.648},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T09:23:19.809000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:23:24.380429+08:00","text":"謝謝柯志恩委員的質詢，請廖院長回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T09:23:24.680429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:23:28.680429+08:00","text":"接下來有請陳培瑜委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}