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來那再來下一個前一陣子我們在質詢國科會還有書發布的時候我們一直在談AI語料的建設這件事情那確實在AI新十大建設裡面談到主權AI"},{"start":185.698,"end":212.748,"text":"不论是现在的泰德或者是之前来下一张或是之前的书发部林静部长他有公开的时候说他说人工智慧的发展对人类社会带来的影响已经不是要不要用而是去考虑如何承担结构性的冲击那我们在教文委员会呢我们不断跟国科会或者是跟书发部在讨论建制台湾AI语料他们也都非常清楚AI语料的建制不能只靠公部门的资料尤其是现在"},{"start":213.228,"end":242.572,"text":"已經釋出的資料都是來自公部門所以現在必須要積極跟民間產業手上擁有最多內容的民間產業合作不論是報紙雜誌廣播電視電影這些都需要好回過頭來看我們發現另外一個困境跟院長報告就是來下一張以中研院的好以中研院的對不起下一張以中研院的角度來說有大量的研究資料其實都是建立於台灣本地的研究對不對例如說我剛剛隨便舉的那兩個例子"},{"start":243.192,"end":269.52,"text":"所以以这些本地的研究他如何去协助扩充这个AI预料我认为现在所有的授权法规在现行的授权法规底下很多中研院的研究不论是委托出去的或者是受到委托的或者是自行研究的内容大概都没有办法放入此时此刻速发部或是国科会在协助建制的AI预料这个部分我想听林凯院长你的看法"},{"start":270.36,"end":299.624,"text":"这部分我们会大力促成委员讲的这个状况也是我们院内努力的目标但是据我们了解最大的问题是在于助作权法的问题助作权法的限制使得这些语料就没有办法拿去给AI的训练者使用所以目前我们认为说在修法上有非常急迫的迫切性能够修改这部分中研院有在启动相关台"},{"start":299.884,"end":300.164,"text":"我們希望能夠開放"},{"start":324.924,"end":338.796,"text":"前面我們現在分為兩部分一部分是跟你跟台德就國內的這樣一個AI的這個大語形模型做一個合作的關係我們提供了將近有113萬的一個筆包括SQA的那個資料庫以及我們相關的圖像做多模態的訓練"},{"start":340.137,"end":363.422,"text":"同时我们也跟Google建立起联系的管道我们希望我们透过我们清理在资料合理和就是说在授权范围的合乎情之下在互惠合作的前提之下我们希望跟Google进行合作那我们最近开了几次会了那Google对我们能够使用提供繁体方面的资料库也是感到兴趣的这个会议的内容是可以公开的吗"},{"start":364.182,"end":392.615,"text":"沒有問題我們可以提供給委員好再麻煩提供給委員辦公室如同你剛剛說的不論是泰德要持續做或者是跟國外的這些大語言模型公司其實授權不是只有授權兩個字這麼簡單它可能分成訓練階段的授權REG的授權還有API的授權每一個階段的授權可能對於很多研究員來說對於研究報告來說大家都會有不同的想像跟希望有不同的授權範圍而對於這些大語言模型公司來說他們可能拿到希望是最完整的"},{"start":393.555,"end":420.146,"text":"對國內的研究者來說是不是願意但是我認為背後要有共識其實非常的困難而且可能也不是現在的著作權法可以所有一次到位的所以後續也要拜託當然我也會持續跟國科會還有書發部討論後續在修相關著作權法的時候務必要把中研院拉進團隊裡頭因為我認為台灣非常多重要的研究必須要進到這個餘量模型當中後續也要再拜託中研院"},{"start":420.946,"end":431.017,"text":"請眾人願意也可以在下一張三個月內提供相關報告給我們辦公室就是關於授權這個部分還有之前已經跟一些語言模型公司開的會議記錄可以嗎"},{"start":433.822,"end":454.782,"text":"好我們會努力好那最後一個呢一分鐘就好院長我要謝謝你喔之前我在三年前進到立法院當時呢我就跟院長許願我希望有兒童科普日院長及之即行立刻有所行動而且呢我看院長在現場也玩得很開心希望院長是真的很開心喔那我也要再次謝謝所有參與兒童科普日的所有的老師們"},{"start":455.743,"end":477.362,"text":"所有的帮忙设计活动的人因为你们愿意为儿童付出愿意在中研院的场地当中创造出这个氛围我希望未来院长就算您离开了有机会我们可不可以让儿童科普活动持续下去好谢谢我们一定让它持续下去拜托一定要交接给陈建仁院长好谢谢院长谢谢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:23:33.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:23:34.078000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:23:34.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:23:37.182000+08:00","text":"我剛剛問柯志恩委員罵了院長幾年，他說十年。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:23:37.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:23:38.745000+08:00","text":"院長有請，謝謝，院長辛苦了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T09:23:39.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:23:39.105000+08:00","text":"有請廖院長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T09:23:39.105000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:23:46.357000+08:00","text":"陳委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:23:46.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:23:46.897000+08:00","text":"院長辛苦了。那裡。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:23:47.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:23:50.740000+08:00","text":"再次謝謝院長這十年來為中研院、為臺灣的付出。謝謝。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:23:51.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:24:00.066000+08:00","text":"我們今天待會要講的案子比較會是個案，但是我們不希望針對個案討論，而是希望在院長離開之前就通案進行討論。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:24:00.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:24:10.433000+08:00","text":"第一個，我知道中研院一直有一些研究在進行，所以在研究的時候，不論是受到委託或者中研院自己的案子，都會有一些數據採集的事情要做。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:24:11.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:24:27.564000+08:00","text":"我們看到之前社群平臺上有一個民眾發文說，有自稱中研院的研究人員要求對小孩進行抽血並採樣，但是不給抽血還情勒大家，其實現場大家感受到的對話內容讓人非常不舒服、讓人產生困惑。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:24:27.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:24:37.910000+08:00","text":"當然後續我們看到國健署有立刻出來說明，這是國健署委託中研院的研究，我們看了一下，符合人體研究法，也有做IRB的審核，這都沒有問題。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:24:38.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:25:00.314000+08:00","text":"我們看一下簡報，在苗栗縣政府的一個道路有看到鉚釘，大家都覺得很奇怪，原來是中研院有一個研究案，研究技師在沒有經過縣市政府主管機關申請、報備及同意的情況底下，在道路的路肩打入鉚釘，讓大家擔心腳踩到或車子經過時車子會爆胎之類的。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:25:01.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:25:05.496000+08:00","text":"這個一樣，他不是採取人體的血液樣本，可是相關的資訊其實沒有被告知。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:25:06.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:25:29.126000+08:00","text":"院長，剛剛我已經說了，我今天雖然一剛開始講的是兩個個案，但整體通案上，我們希望中研院在未來跟各級的研究人員，不論是助理研究員或是各級的研究員，在進行研究採集樣本，做相關數據蒐集，或者是必須做像這樣的事情的時候，如何跟在地政府主管機關、如何跟民眾，甚至是受測者做更多的溝通？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:25:29.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:25:29.946000+08:00","text":"院長，請簡單回應一下，我們不要針對個案，好不好？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T09:25:33.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:25:36.291000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員，這個方面我們會加強宣導。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T09:25:38.673000+0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9:29:35.303000+08:00","text":"好，再麻煩提供給我們辦公室。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:29:35.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:30:03.036000+08:00","text":"如同你剛剛說的，不論是TAIDE要持續做，或者是跟國外的大語言模型公司，其實授權不是只有「授權」兩個字這麼簡單，它可能分成訓練階段的授權、RAG的授權及API的授權，每一個階段的授權可能對於很多研究員來說、對於研究報告來說，大家都會有不同的想像，也希望有不同的授權範圍，而對於這些大語言模型公司來說，他們可能希望拿到最完整的，但是對於國內的研究者來說，他是不是願意？","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:30:04.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:30:12.099000+08:00","text":"我認為背後要有共識其實非常地困難，而且可能也不是現在的著作權法可以一次到位的。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:30:12.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:30:28.126000+08:00","text":"所以後續也要拜託，當然我也會持續跟國科會還有數發部討論，後續在修相關著作權法的時候，務必要把中研院拉進團隊裡頭，因為我認為臺灣非常多重要的研究必須要進到這個語料模型當中，後續也要再拜託中研院。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:30:28.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:30:34.852000+08:00","text":"是不是請中研院在三個月內提供相關報告給我們辦公室？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:30:35.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:30:39.017000+08:00","text":"就是關於授權這個部分，還有之前已經跟一些語言模型公司開會的會議紀錄，可以嗎？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T09:30:41.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:30:42.963000+08:00","text":"好，我們會努力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:30:43.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:30:45.186000+08:00","text":"好，最後一個，1分鐘就好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:30:45.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:30:58.238000+08:00","text":"院長，我要謝謝你，三年前我進到立法院，當時我就跟院長許願，希望有兒童科普日，院長即知即行，立刻有所行動，而且我看院長在現場也玩得很開心，希望院長是真的很開心。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:30:59.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:31:11.530000+08:00","text":"我也要再次謝謝所有參與兒童科普日的老師們及幫忙設計活動的人，因為你們願意為兒童付出，願意在中研院的場地當中創造出這個氛圍。","quality":0.707},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:31:12.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:31:17.335000+08:00","text":"我希望未來就算院長離開了，有機會你們可不可以讓兒童科普活動持續下去？","quality":0.594},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T09:31:17.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:31:20.118000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，我們一定讓它持續下去。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:31:20.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:31:22.019000+08:00","text":"拜託，一定要交接給陳建仁院長。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T09:31:22.519000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:31:23.661857+08:00","text":"好，我會的。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-05-21T09:31:23.961857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:31:25.961857+08:00","text":"好，謝謝院長。謝謝。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T09:31:26.261857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:31:31.404714+08:00","text":"謝謝陳培瑜委員質詢，請院長跟各代表回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T09:31:31.704714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:31:35.419000+08:00","text":"接下來請葛如鈞委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}