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謝謝好 謝謝葉園居委員的資訊"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:47:19.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:47:19.329000+08:00","text":"院長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T10:47:19.329000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:47:20.329000+08:00","text":"委員好、委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:47:20.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:04.265000+08:00","text":"院長，我有看到大概6月21號就有新的院長上任了，雖然中研院來我們教文的頻率跟別的部會比起來相對比較不高，但是在比較少數跟院長接觸的過程當中，覺得院長是一個非常讓人崇敬的學者，講話很實在，在學術上也都很有成就。謝謝。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:05.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:19.679000+08:00","text":"今天在中研院的報告裡面看到一句話，我自己覺得非常的認同，就是中研院做研究其實重點還是要跟社會接軌，研究這件事情要怎麼去解決社會的問題。","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:20.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:30.128000+08:00","text":"中研院現在有3件事情看起來是主要的研究重點，要去解決的社會問題有3個：量子電腦、淨零碳排跟AI，這是你們報告裡面寫的，沒錯吧？對吧？是。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:31.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:37.381000+08:00","text":"我想先來問一下淨零碳排，因為我們從很久以前就一直很擔心會缺電。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:40.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:58.813000+08:00","text":"最近有一個新聞表示，有關前經濟部長王美花，其實2018年台積電跟經濟部部長說要申請先進製程廠的時候就已經提到2奈米的計畫，甚至連1奈米的計畫都已經提出來，在2018年的時候。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:58.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:07.179000+08:00","text":"換言之，當時其實我們的政府就已經知道未來的用電需求量會非常大，你看2018年就已經提出那麼多的擴廠計畫。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:10.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:11.239000+08:00","text":"院長，2018年那時候您還沒有當院長？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:15.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:15.607000+08:00","text":"應該還沒？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:17.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:17.088000+08:00","text":"2026減10應該是2016。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:18.688000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:20.689000+08:00","text":"2016年已經當院長了？對。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:21.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:33.094000+08:00","text":"你看2018年經濟部部長就已經得知台積電未來會有很多的擴廠計畫，可見用電非常有需求。是的。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:33.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:56.248000+08:00","text":"那我不懂為什麼在過去幾年，我們的政府好像對於用電這件事情不是很重視，但是我們在野黨就很緊張，想說其他各國都已經開始用核電了，我們應該要放寬核電廠延役的標準，讓核電廠可以順利延役，所以法規鬆綁，讓政府可以思考重啟、可以多一點彈性。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:56.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:25.055000+08:00","text":"但是在2025年我們在教文委員會修核管法，那個時候只是把核電廠延役的法規鬆綁，我們就被執政黨亂罵，有的執政黨的委員還說我們是要幫中共攻臺開後門，動不動在那邊扯說核廢料放誰家、核廢料放誰家，很不理性地討論這件事情；現在沒想到賴總統很理性，賴總統說感謝在野黨支持核管法。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:25.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:35.202000+08:00","text":"所以現在核二、核三……至少核三現在已經送了再運轉計畫，就要朝延役的方向前進，所以核電看起來是有重啟的機會。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:35.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:03.515000+08:00","text":"請問一下院長，我覺得我們大家要務實的講這個事情，您的評估是2050年可能會用到5,000億度，如果AI或半導體這些需求更大的話，很有可能會到6,000億度，我們現在一年大概是2,800億度，換言之，2050年，今年是2026年，25年後我們的發電量要倍增。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:04.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:12.878000+08:00","text":"我們可以往前推，請問一下2000年，就是我們往前推25年，2001年那時候的發電量跟現在的發電量相比有到倍增嗎？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:12.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:13.058000+08:00","text":"沒有吧？這個……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:14.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:18.037000+08:00","text":"如果沒有的話，我們有什麼信心2025年到2050年我們的發電量要倍增？院長。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:24.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:35.627000+08:00","text":"我們需要倍增的原因，最主要是要把現在不是用電的能源、直接燃燒的能源變成用電，為什麼？","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:36.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:40.689000+08:00","text":"因為用電比較乾淨，也比較好控管排碳。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:41.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:47.792000+08:00","text":"假如我們不在意這件事情，我們的電不需要成長那麼多，只需要應付譬如說AI……","quality":0.697},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:47.792000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:48.792000+08:00","text":"半導體。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:48.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:56.275000+08:00","text":"跟晶片的成長，這樣就可以了，所以我們為什麼要急速變成電要成長這麼多呢？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:56.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:06.700000+08:00","text":"是因為我們要把現在直接燒煤、燒油的部分變成用電，這個就很多。","qu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常困難。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:36.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:41.004000+08:00","text":"也是非常困難，所以現在我們希望做的是低碳電……地熱？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:41.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:06.789000+08:00","text":"不是，低碳電，地熱當然是我們要大力發展的，除了地熱之外，我們也推出高效太陽能板，這是我們關鍵議題研究中心太陽能團隊製作的，我們自研自製自發的高效太陽能板，效率達到接近30%，比目前市售的要高，所以我們從各方向齊頭並進來努力。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:07.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:08.971000+08:00","text":"這個什麼時候可以商品化？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:10.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:16.256000+08:00","text":"我請關鍵中心來說明，我們已經跟一些產業界形成研發聯盟。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"李主任超煌","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:18.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:19.197000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我是關鍵中心主任。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"李主任超煌","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:19.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:36.146000+08:00","text":"太陽能的研發目前正在跟國內幾家很有名的大廠談合作，院長拿出來的已經模組化，但是目前要大量生產一定要業界的幫忙，我們在實驗室是沒辦法做的，可是從業界給我們的反映，其實非常有機會。","quality":0.866},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:36.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:40.448000+08:00","text":"因為主席已經站起來了，你就跟我講個大概的時程。時程……","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:41.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:54.134000+08:00","text":"因為大家其實會擔心，產業界也會擔心，當然如果中研院有好的研發成果，可以幫助解決問題，那很棒，但總是要講一個時程，不能說這個東西已經研發出來，但量產可能要10年後，對不對？","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"李主任超煌","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:54.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:55.495000+08:00","text":"不可能、不可能，不是10年後。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:55.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:57.396000+08:00","text":"所以你要講一個大概的日期。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李主任超煌","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:57.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:01.437000+08:00","text":"我們希望在一、兩年內就可以有商品出來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:01.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:01.898000+08:00","text":"一、兩年內，好，謝謝。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"李主任超煌","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:01.898000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:02.898000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:02.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:02.238000+08:00","text":"謝謝葉元之委員的質詢，請院長回座。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:02.738000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:06.738000+08:00","text":"接下來有請羅廷瑋召委進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}