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這個你們只寫建議啦那你們這個有五份那請問有送任何一份來了嗎剛剛說台電又有義務而且他又很負責"},{"start":544.203,"end":556.779,"text":"請問,自主安全計畫有五份,有送任何一份來了嗎?呃,沒有,可是跟委員報告,這五份是法規規定的,所以一定要送的。那他不送會怎麼樣?不送,核安會能不能拿他怎樣啦?"},{"start":559.336,"end":579.793,"text":"目前確實沒有,因為他自己要提交出來所以這個部分啦,我想大家我們都愛台電,我們也愛和安會,我們也愛我們中華民國這個部分事關民眾安全和國家能源的需求我們剛剛這一段對話,其實我就是希望請主委回去研議一下"},{"start":580.393,"end":600.691,"text":"看怎麼樣去提高核安會監督的能量不然我們監督你你們就說我們只有倒折我們沒有強制力那這樣我們怎麼監督呢對不對那我們也沒辦法就是真的派一個委員坐在台電裡面也不合理嘛所以例如訂定相關的執法"},{"start":601.391,"end":615.47,"text":"或者不要只是倒折嘛或者我們之前提過的升級可不可以一個月內給本席一個回覆可以嗎 主委這個問題是您的層級了可以的好 謝謝然後另外最後本席再關心一下再運轉的審查計畫"},{"start":616.952,"end":644.717,"text":"目前核安會也感謝你們認真負責也守法提出第一次的審查意見正待台電公司答覆說明那請問主委對於台電的答覆有沒有相關時程因為我們一直講嘛那它如果一直你說該送的分階段送它不送你沒有強制力已經送進來的部分如果你回覆了它又不額外的處理就算你們的審查意見給它了它又不回覆這審查流程是不是就會卡住"},{"start":645.636,"end":654.046,"text":"跟委員說明 台電公司在上個禮拜五那已經提出第一次的答覆說明哎呀 太好了那這個今天的報告有提到嗎"},{"start":655.672,"end":675.692,"text":"因為是上禮拜五下班才提交出來的好 這個我想這個相關的互動要更清楚透明的讓國人了解禮拜五五六日意見已經過三天了我們現在在這裡我們還在用舊的資料這是請問今天我們這個業務報告的資料是今天送來的還是禮拜五送的"},{"start":680.612,"end":694.942,"text":"相關資訊要更新我們現在新式核能的採用還有能源每天每分鐘每秒鐘我們都在賽跑好不好所以這一點再拜託更新一下最後這個人才的部分啦這剛剛有委員也問到了啦"},{"start":695.562,"end":719.185,"text":"這個人才現在有一些缺漏啦那118年SR如果不足啊 考照狀況不理想你們之前就人員不夠 現在已經低於21人了嘛我們剛剛都看到了對不對 人才需求24人的有28但是21人你們預計可能會降到17你們說要用其他考照的方式來替代 替代的方案"},{"start":720.046,"end":741.575,"text":"台電現在的替代方案哪些是核安會可以接受的除了退休的經理再把它找回來還有哪些人員可以替代有沒有一些標準啊我剛剛我有聽到說其實我們一直在講核工人才國研院很棒開始在討論外國人才專業人才來台灣這部分主委我們還有哪些替代的方式有沒有一個標準"},{"start":744.193,"end":767.704,"text":"我能不能跟委員先說明一下這個是值班人員是台電公司又正式員工那退休人員是協助當一些訓練的講師這部分那這部分人員的人數訓練會裡面在法規裡面已經規範了所以要求台電公司在再運整計畫要明確去規範這些人什麼什麼時候要去遞補跟訓練要把這些人在"},{"start":771.603,"end":784.615,"text":"機組繼續運轉的時候 能源要符合法規的要求好 我想這個核安 核工的議題還有核能 還有核電台灣電力充足 能源安全的問題全國民眾都很關心 不分黨派"},{"start":785.716,"end":810.249,"text":"那我們不能只相信台電的背書我們也 河岸會也不做台電的背書機關台電有什麼地方做得不夠好要加強請河岸會這裡一定要第一時間要告知大眾跟台電之間的溝通也要清楚透明不要這種禮拜五收到的文件我們禮拜一在這裡質詢我們沒有得到資料 好不好相關的速度要夠快 要透明不要刺行到最後一個階段了"},{"start":810.509,"end":833.81,"text":"才來介入有這種所謂的delay這種時程的不對齊我們套一句沈伯陽委員講時間要對齊我們核能才能夠安全我們的文化才能夠發展國家的經濟才能夠建設整個全球的局勢才能穩定好不好所以我想這個核安會的重要性就這麼的重要"},{"start":834.07,"end":843.655,"text":"好不好那最後出事的民眾不要把他們算到你們頭上那剛剛這個主委答應要研議的再麻煩好不好謝謝好謝謝葛如君委員的質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:32:43.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:32:43.944000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:32:45.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:32:45.866000+08:00","text":"有請陳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-25T09:32:46.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:32:46.227000+08:00","text":"請陳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-05-25T09:32:46.227000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-25T09:32:57.130000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:32:57.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:32:57.991000+08:00","text":"陳主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:32:58.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:33:09.480000+08:00","text":"賴清德總統已經說了，對於AI的發展，他感謝立法院通過AI基本法，然後要思考核電的重啟，他基本上也是支持的。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:33:11.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:33:32.877000+08:00","text":"臺北市市長候選人沈伯洋委員也一直擔心臺北市或者其他地方電不夠用，賴總統一直提到的新式核能，本席過去一直跟您提到SMR、MMR的中長程計畫，當時預計4年花費10億，我一直喊說不夠，為什麼？","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:33:32.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:33:44.785000+08:00","text":"因為要花臺北一棟豪宅的錢來做全中華民國未來10年，甚至20年、50年的能源準備，這太荒謬了！","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:33:45.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:34:01.259000+08:00","text":"但是據本席了解，現在這個4年10億竟然還被國科會打槍，砍到剩下4.8億，一年只剩1.2億，要買陶朱隱園一個廁所可能都還不夠，請問這是確定的嗎？","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-05-25T09:34:01.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:34:48.350000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們這兩天才接到國科會最近的會議紀錄，前兩個禮拜主委帶隊跟吳政委報告完以後，他同意我們總預算4年維持10億，但是今年只有1.2億，即第一年還是照原來的4.8億除以4是1.2億，其他不足的後面3年再補齊，謝謝主委長期對這個議題的關心，對此，國科會在會議紀錄裡正式有回應了，我們會重送申請計畫書，這兩天會送到國科會，等核定以後，大概就確定回復到10億的預算，謝謝委員。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:34:48.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:35:07.582000+08:00","text":"沒有能源安全就沒有國家安全，沒有能源也不會有半導體、不會有AI，我想國科會主委應該是非常了解的，我們當然也是先感謝國科會吳主委沒有砍預算，但是第一年還是維持1.2億，這一點我們當然還是有點意見，為什麼？","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:35:07.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:35:33.296000+08:00","text":"因為時間真的很重要，你說一年預算沒有辦法增加，一年核工的人才可能就沒有辦法增加，我們新式核能的研發又再延宕一年，這一年對於AI發展來講，可能是一整個世紀，賴清德總統一邊說新式核能，結果國科會對新式核能預算沒有更加、加倍地增加，第一年竟然不是兩倍，這一點我覺得還是有點可惜。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:35:34.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:35:51.425000+08:00","text":"總而言之，這個計畫我們也希望核安會、國科會還有更多的部會一起來支持，畢竟能源真的是我們的基準，我們也希望核工的人才、相關的研發跟應用，可以更快地加速，以確保我們在AI、在產業上的競爭力。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:35:52.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:35:57.852000+08:00","text":"另外，上週有傳出核三乾貯場招標爭議事件，主委應該知道嘛！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:35:58.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:35:59.413000+08:00","text":"剛剛也有委員問到嘛！對。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:36:01.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:36:08.424000+08:00","text":"請問主委，台電在招標的時候，是誰來確保這些申請廠商有沒有符合核安會的標準？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:36:10.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:36:13.140000+08:00","text":"是不是台電自己找的？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-05-25T09:36:14.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:36:16.123000+08:00","text":"是要先合乎標準的，細節部分我請……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:36:17.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:36:21.808000+08:00","text":"這個標準是你們提供的，但是誰在執行這些標準的查核？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2026-05-25T09:36:23.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:36:32.857000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，對於乾式貯存我們訂有安全審查導則，這一部分相關的標準……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:36:33.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:36:33.537000+08:00","text":"你訂了導則，那誰來執行？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:36:34.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:36:36.319000+08:00","text":"誰來確保申請廠商符合標準？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2026-05-25T09:36:36.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:36:41.644000+08:00","text":"台電公司在做招標規範的時候，就會將我們安全導則的要求納入。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:36:42.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:36:56.535000+08:00","text":"好，請問對台電來講，它好好的招標，它確保安全，這當然是它的道德所在，但這是它的利益所在嗎？","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2026-05-25T09:37:01.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:37:04.709000+08:00","text":"台電公司有義務要執行這個計畫。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:37:04.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:37:06.792000+08:00","text":"所以我們就是相信台電公司。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:37:07.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:37:09.436000+08:00","text":"請問台電公司是國營還是民營的？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2026-05-25T09:37:11.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:37:11.118000+08:00","text":"國營企業。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:37:13.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:37:51.812000+08:00","text":"我們都還記得，過去有快篩小吃店、超思進口蛋、室內裝修炸藥的案子，我們不是在說這些公司都怎麼樣，而是核能的東西事關民眾安全和能源需求，你說台電自行處理，而核安會只有一個導則，假設未來台電說要給這一家，即按照他們的安全評估就給這一家，結果核安會根據你們的導則判斷後是有疑慮的，是不是就要重新招標？","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:37:53.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:37:54.198000+08:00","text":"是不是有這個可能？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:37:57.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:38:00.581000+08:00","text":"根據它的義務，這是你剛剛講的，對不對？是。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:38:02.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:38:10.786000+08:00","text":"結果它的義務執行出來的結果，你們覺得不夠安全，因為你們一定是以安全為優先，假設你們覺得有疑慮，是不是就要重新招標？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2026-05-25T09:38:11.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:38:16.708000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實我們導則裡面有要求它要採用國際已經成熟的產品。很好！","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:38:17.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:38:18.749000+08:00","text":"如果他沒有符合呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2026-05-25T09:38:19.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:38:26.032000+08:00","text":"其實在送件給我們的時候，如果沒有符合，我們就會給它打回票，但是……","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:38:26.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:38:28.093000+08:00","text":"你們就會說不行，是不是？對。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:38:28.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:38:30.494000+08:00","text":"我現在就問你，這是不是要重新招標？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:38:31.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:38:31.174000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2026-05-25T09:38:31.174000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-25T09:38:32.695000+08:00","text":"對，但是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:38:32.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:38:36.836000+08:00","text":"假設它發生了這件事，你們可以罰它錢嗎？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:38:36.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:38:38.897000+08:00","text":"你們可以行政懲處它嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:38:39.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:38:40.337000+08:00","text":"核安會可不可以處罰它？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:38:40.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:38:40.938000+08:00","text":"不行嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:38:40.938000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-25T09:38:41.938000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2026-05-25T09:38:41.938000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-25T09:38:42.938000+08:00","text":"不會，但是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:38:41.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:38:46.780000+08:00","text":"我想請問，所以它依據什麼條件一定要遵守你們的導則？","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2026-05-25T09:38:47.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:38:54.336000+08:00","text":"因為它日後要跟我們申請建造執照，在安全分析報告裡面就要附這個。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞：所以就是兩個","start":"2026-05-25T09:38:55.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:39:01.319000+08:00","text":"第一個就是你剛剛講的義務；第二個，如果沒有符合的話，在他送過來後，你們可能會把他reject，對不對？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞：所以就是兩個","start":"2026-05-25T09:39:02.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:39:06.142000+08:00","text":"請問reject以後，這整件事情是不是就延宕了？是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:39:06.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:39:12.966000+08:00","text":"您覺得過去台電在核電重啟、在核能上是支持的嗎？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2026-05-25T09:39:14.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:39:26.737000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實在乾式貯存這件事情上，我們每個月都跟台電開溝通管制會議，所以我們有掌握到台電公司在招標的時候，有符合這樣一個狀況。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:39:27.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:39:39.469000+08:00","text":"其實我一直在講，賴清德總統要新式核能，核電也要重啟，我們相應的整個生態系都要準備好，對不對？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:39:41.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:39:48.320000+08:00","text":"未來可能會發生能源政策轉換的延宕情況，我們都要預先處理。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:39:49.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:39:51.905000+08:00","text":"請問現在核安會的導則有沒有強制力？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:39:52.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:39:56.941000+08:00","text":"我就問導則有沒有強制力？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2026-05-25T09:39:57.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:40:02.025000+08:00","text":"是沒有強制力，但是會轉化成我們安全審查的一個要求。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:40:02.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:40:08.290000+08:00","text":"如果它一直不遵守，你一直給它打回去，它又再不遵守，你就一直打回去，那我們是不是可以這樣搞個100年？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2026-05-25T09:40:10.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:40:14.762000+08:00","text":"台電公司應該是從來沒有做過違反我們導則的事。","quality":0.524},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:40:16.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:40:19.087000+08:00","text":"很好，你說台電公司應該很棒，它有義務這麼做嘛！","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:40:19.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:40:29.718000+08:00","text":"那我問你，法規上說它的自主安檢計畫可以分階段送審，但台電不送的話，你們有沒有辦法處理？","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:40:34.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:40:40.551000+08:00","text":"如果分階段送審的部分台電一直不送，根據導則，你們有沒有辦法對他來做處理？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:40:41.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:40:41.791000+08:00","text":"有沒有強制力？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-05-25T09:40:42.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:40:46.493000+08:00","text":"沒有，可是我們會了解這過程中發生什麼問題。對嘛！","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:40:47.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:41:09.732000+08:00","text":"即便你們導則裡面有寫，但其實只寫了「建議」兩個字，所以我想問主委，剛剛它說台電有義務、台電以前都不會怎麼樣等等，我對台電沒有意見，但我們就是要看規則來做，我們要往最壞的方向做準備，法律有不完備的地方，我們要準備好，免得時間到了，哇！","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:41:09.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:41:13.516000+08:00","text":"臺灣真的沒電了，到現在民進黨委員都在喊沒電啊！","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:41:14.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:41:17.060000+08:00","text":"我們也很緊張，全民都緊張。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:41:18.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:41:29.413000+08:00","text":"核三廠的自主安檢計畫理論上有5份，雖然這裡面你們只寫了「建議」，請問這5份有任何一份送來了嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:41:29.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:41:38.226000+08:00","text":"剛剛說台電有義務，而且它又很負責，請問自主安檢計畫有5份，有送任何一份來了嗎？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-05-25T09:41:38.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:41:43.213000+08:00","text":"沒有，可是跟委員報告，這5份是法規規定的，所以是一定要送的。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:41:44.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:41:45.976000+08:00","text":"不送會怎麼樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:41:45.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:41:47.759000+08:00","text":"不送核安會能拿它怎樣呢？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-05-25T09:41:50.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:41:55.040000+08:00","text":"目前確實沒有，因為它是最後提交出來的。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:41:56.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:42:22.022000+08:00","text":"對嘛，我想我們大家都愛台電，也愛核安會，也愛我們中華民國，這個部分事關民眾安全和國家能源的需求，我們剛剛這段對話，其實我就是希望請主委回去研議一下，看怎麼樣去提高核安會監督的能量，不然我們監督你，你們就說你們只有導則，沒有強制力，這樣我們怎麼監督呢？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:42:22.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:42:23.103000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:42:23.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:42:37.638000+08:00","text":"我們也沒辦法真的派一個委員坐在台電裡面，也不合理嘛，所以例如訂定相關的子法，或者不要只是導則，或者我們之前提過的升級，可不可以一個月內回復本席？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:42:39.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:42:41.804000+08:00","text":"主委，這個問題是您的層級了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-05-25T09:42:42.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:42:42.785000+08:00","text":"可以的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:42:43.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:42:43.746000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:42:45.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:42:55.333000+08:00","text":"最後，本席再關心一下再運轉的審查計畫，感謝你們核安會認真負責，也守法，提出第一次的審查意見，正待台電公司答復說明。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:42:56.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:42:58.254000+08:00","text":"請問主委，對於台電的答復有沒有相關時程？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:42:58.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:43:15.697000+08:00","text":"因為我們一直講，你說該送的分階段送，它不送，你沒有強制力；已經送進來的部分，如果你回復了，它又不額外處理，就是你們的審查意見給它了，它又不回復，這樣審查流程是不是就會卡住？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-05-25T09:43:16.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:43:21.843000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，台電公司在上個禮拜五已經提出第一次的答復說明。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:43:22.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:43:22.984000+08:00","text":"太好了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:43:24.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:43:25.046000+08:00","text":"今天的報告有提到嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-05-25T09:43:26.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:43:29.495000+08:00","text":"因為是上禮拜五下班才提交出來的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:43:29.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:43:34.600000+08:00","text":"好，相關的互動要更清楚、透明地讓國人了解。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:43:35.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:43:46.672000+08:00","text":"上禮拜五收到，五、六、日，已經過三天了，我們現在在這裡還在用舊的資料，請問今天我們這個業務報告的資料是今天送來的，還是上禮拜五送的？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-05-25T09:43:46.672000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-25T09:43:51.612000+08:00","text":"上禮拜五。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:43:51.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:44:00.018000+08:00","text":"好，相關資訊要更新，現在新式核能的採用還有能源，每天、每分鐘、每秒鐘我們都在賽跑，好不好？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:44:00.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:44:01.939000+08:00","text":"所以這一點再拜託更新一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:44:02.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:44:20.756000+08:00","text":"最後，人才的部分，剛剛有委員也問到了，人才現在有一些缺漏，118年SRO如果不足、考照狀況不理想……你們之前人員就不夠，現在已經低於21人了，我們剛剛都看到了，對不對？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:44:20.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:44:24.940000+08:00","text":"RO人才需求24人，有28人，但是SRO需求21人，你們預計可能會降到17人。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:44:25.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:44:34.668000+08:00","text":"你們說要用其他考照的方式來替代，台電現在的替代方案哪些是核安會可以接受的？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:44:34.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:44:38.849000+08:00","text":"除了再把退休的經理找回來，還有哪些人員可以替代？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:44:38.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:44:39.770000+08:00","text":"有沒有一些標準？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:44:40.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:44:49.754000+08:00","text":"我剛剛有聽到，其實我們一直在講核工人才，國原院很棒，開始在討論延攬外國人才、專業人才來臺灣。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:44:49.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:44:52.555000+08:00","text":"主委，這部分你們還有哪些替代方式，有沒有一個標準？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-05-25T09:44:55.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:44:56.874000+08:00","text":"我能不能先跟委員說明一下？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-05-25T09:44:57.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:45:25.586000+08:00","text":"這個是值班人員，台電公司要正式員工，退休人員是協助當一些訓練的講師，這部分人員的人數、訓練，會裡面在法規已經規範了，所以有要求台電公司在再運轉計畫要明確去規範這些人什麼時候要去遞補跟訓練，在機組繼續運轉的時候，人員要符合法規的要求。好。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:45:26.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:45:49.203000+08:00","text":"我想核安、核工的議題，還有核能、核電、臺灣電力充足、能源安全的問題，全國民眾都很關心，不分黨派，我們不能只相信台電的背書，核安會也不做台電的背書機關，台電有什麼地方做得不夠好、要加強，請核安會一定要在第一時間告知大眾。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:45:49.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:45:56.006000+08:00","text":"你們跟台電之間的溝通也要清楚、透明，不要上禮拜五收到了文件，我們禮拜一在這裡質詢還沒有拿到資料，好不好？","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:45:56.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:46:07.614000+08:00","text":"相關的速度要夠快、要透明，不要事情到最後一個階段了才來介入，有這種所謂的delay、時程的不對齊。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:46:07.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:46:11.178000+08:00","text":"我們套一句沈伯洋委員講的，時間要對齊啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:46:11.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:46:21.307000+08:00","text":"我們的核能才能夠安全，我們的文化才能夠發展，國家的經濟才能夠建設，全球的局勢才能穩定，好不好？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:46:21.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:46:25.130000+08:00","text":"我想核安會就是這麼地重要，好不好？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:46:25.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:46:28.172000+08:00","text":"最後出事了，民眾不要算到你們頭上。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-25T09:46:29.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:46:32.113000+08:00","text":"剛剛主委答應要研議的，再麻煩，好不好？謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-25T09:46:34.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T09:46:34.655000+08:00","text":"謝謝葛如鈞委員的質詢，請主委回座。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-25T09:46:35.155000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-25T09:46:38.869286+08:00","text":"下一位請吳沛憶委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}