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針對就是發生何在這個緊急應變計畫針對委員關心的疏散撤離的部分因為我們會採分階段分時的方式進行那在一開始會先將遊客先勸離因為他們不是在地的民眾所以會請他們先離開那後面如果需要疏散的話也會先從弱勢民眾就是委員所關心的這些高風險族群因為他們需要疏散時間比較久所以會先從他們開始做優先的疏散"},{"start":331.801,"end":352.236,"text":"因為我們知道在整個所有的範圍之內就是那個一萬三千多戶的一個人家其實也有很多是獨居的長者再來很多行動不便者那另外還有一些比較需要特殊照顧的一些居民那我想的如果我們有沒有納入所謂的極端複合式的一個災害做情境上的一個壓力測試這個部分我們做過了嗎"},{"start":353.927,"end":381.186,"text":"報告員在目前的賓夕就是每年的荷蘭演習的演練當中在賓夕推演都會做相關的一個盤點跟測試那這些盤點是即時的名單的更新嗎對因為都會有地方政府因為我們的荷蘭演習是中央地方因為每年都會做荷蘭演習每年對另外如果當年沒有做荷蘭演習的地方政府他也會做居民的一個疏散的選到我們的通訊的設備的資源有嗎"},{"start":383.807,"end":409.224,"text":"通訊的設備我想要提的就是說這方面的一個備援的一個機制那包含我剛剛講的即時的名冊的一個更新然後再來就是我們的通訊設備的一個更新再來還包含接送能力的調度我想我們在談的是當災害來臨時我們有沒有應變的韌性韌性這兩個字其實還蠻重要的提供給我們核安會作為參考第三個問題因為我們的這個輻射"},{"start":412.706,"end":440.641,"text":"防护学习网其实是不是只有建制而要让人民真的看得懂这个部分其实也攸关我们的一些所谓的在整个所有内容上的一个转型因为现在这个平台上有21门的专业的科目那6门的这个科普的课程还有互动游戏等等那我想呢辐射的议题本来就比较容易让民众焦虑因为如果我们的教材还是偏重在所谓的一些专业的一个术语把原来的内容"},{"start":441.281,"end":455.395,"text":"數位化那只是另外一種門檻啦雖然我們有設KPI這個KPI好像是7000人次這是我們的KPI但是如果是要讓一般民眾都能夠了解這個KPI的設置是不是有點低了請教"},{"start":457.939,"end":471.876,"text":"报告委员就是我们这个学习王其实有两大的一个目的第一个就是要让我们的辐射从业人员能够做职场的再教育所以精准正确然后让他有那个积分所以这个KPI只是否"},{"start":473.678,"end":499.003,"text":"否我們的專業人員嗎還是一般的社會民眾我們目前的KPI是把它混合起來因為另外一個我們學習網還有一個就是要發揮分眾的這種科普教育所以目前我們確實我們的KPI是把它給密實起來所以後續我們就會參照委員的一個意見因為我們後台其實有在做一些類似玩客率輻射作業人員的我給你三項建議"},{"start":500.083,"end":525.552,"text":"就是第一項其實我們要檢討的其實除了這個績效的一個指標其實還不只要看流量而是要看大家真的能參與的一個程度那第二個部分其實甚至也希望我們能夠建立這個大眾化的轉譯跟所謂的使用者的這樣子的一個計算的一個機制納入所謂的科普跟數位設計的一個專業而不是只是讓我們看到是所謂的技術審查這是第二點那第三點我們要提出一些比較實質的一個效應的一個驗證"},{"start":527.233,"end":554.185,"text":"那麼包含玩客率使用者的回饋還有不同年齡層的使用的狀況還有互動的參考的一個成果好 這三點其實提供給你們做一些參考我想人民要的不是只有程序有在做而是我們的資訊要能夠被理解然後再來我們的風險能夠參與還有我們的安全能夠被信任這是我相信這也算是河岸會最重要的一個使命跟宗旨好 以上好 謝謝謝謝主席好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T10:04:20.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:04:20.228000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T10:04:20.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:04:20.849000+08:00","text":"有請主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-25T10:04:20.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:04:21.050000+08:00","text":"請主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T10:04:30.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:04:31.010000+08:00","text":"主委早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-05-25T10:04:32.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:04:32.531000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴：今天我們聚焦這三個問題","start":"2026-05-25T10:04:35.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:04:56.346000+08:00","text":"第一個問題，我想要問的是重啟核三的風險溝通跟核安會的角色定位；第二個問題，我想要問的是核三廠如果碰到了核災，撤離跟安全整備的狀況；第三，我們的輻射防護學習網是不是只停留在形式上的建置？","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴：今天我們聚焦這三個問題","start":"2026-05-25T10:04:57.027000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:04:58.128000+08:00","text":"以上這三大問題。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴：今天我們聚焦這三個問題","start":"2026-05-25T10:05:00.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:05:10.320000+08:00","text":"首先講到第一個問題，核三重啟，我想核安會不能只是一個技術審查者，更應該是社會信任的一個把關者。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴：今天我們聚焦這三個問題","start":"2026-05-25T10:05:11.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:05:31.657000+08:00","text":"我知道4月28日我們有做地方說明會，地方居民的反映有很多核心問題，包含恆春活動斷層的風險，再來是核廢料長期貯存的安全，以及再運轉之後的監測跟風險管理。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴：今天我們聚焦這三個問題","start":"2026-05-25T10:05:32.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:05:42.404000+08:00","text":"既然民間有這麼多聲音，但那天大部分民眾感受到的是，我們都在談所謂的再運轉以及地方回饋的一些問題。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴：今天我們聚焦這三個問題","start":"2026-05-25T10:05:46.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:05:56.279000+08:00","text":"就核三再運轉的這個議題，要如何讓民眾相信核安會不是只站在推動的立場，而是真正站在監管跟風險把關的位置。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴：今天我們聚焦這三個問題","start":"2026-05-25T10:05:57.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:06:08.516000+08:00","text":"目前我們看到很多資訊公開的方式，達幾百頁的技術報告，但我就要問了，一般的居民真的看得懂嗎？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴：今天我們聚焦這三個問題","start":"2026-05-25T10:06:08.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:06:13.159000+08:00","text":"是不是能夠有更白話的轉譯還有重點摘要？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴：今天我們聚焦這三個問題","start":"2026-05-25T10:06:14.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:06:16.821000+08:00","text":"包括圖像式說明，這是我的建議。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴：今天我們聚焦這三個問題","start":"2026-05-25T10:06:17.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:06:34.891000+08:00","text":"即使我們的資訊公開了，民眾也未必能夠真正理解，所以我剛剛講，這個程序雖然有完成，但是不代表我們跟社會有共識或者社區居民有參與感，這是兩件事情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴：今天我們聚焦這三個問題","start":"2026-05-25T10:06:36.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:07:07.604000+08:00","text":"我真的建議核安會，除了技術的完整資訊，同時也應該提供像我剛剛講的白話文一點點的風險說明，再來是重點摘要、圖像化的資料，還有一定要讓在地居民表達我們草擬FAQ的順序，我想降低理解的門檻才能夠達到資訊平權，這是第一個問題。","quality":0.802},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴：今天我們聚焦這三個問題","start":"2026-05-25T10:07:08.345000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:07:19.150000+08:00","text":"第二個，未來審查的相關溝通機制，我們是不是可以更實質地納入當地居民、公民團體及利害關係人的參與？","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴：今天我們聚焦這三個問題","start":"2026-05-25T10:07:19.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:07:33.533000+08:00","text":"尤其針對我提到的恆春活動斷層最新的評估，還有高低放射性核廢料的風險，再來是再運轉的安全監測，這是不是可以更加聚焦？請教。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-05-25T10:07:35.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:07:44.839000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的建議，委員的建議非常好，我們會繼續滾動式檢視、回應……","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T10:07:45.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:07:48.200000+08:00","text":"我剛剛所給的建議……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-05-25T10:07:48.200000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-25T10:07:49.200000+08:00","text":"非常好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T10:07:48.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:07:52.562000+08:00","text":"我相信核安會應該是可以再多做一些準備。對。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T10:07:52.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:08:04.549000+08:00","text":"而不是要居民去看那一整份幾百頁，都是比較專業性的一些問題，我想可能對居民來講理解上會有一些難度，好不好？","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-05-25T10:08:04.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:08:09.514000+08:00","text":"好，我們會持續優化，用更白話、更圖像式的方式讓大家更容易了解。","quality":0.63},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T10:08:09.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:08:20.364000+08:00","text":"好，今天因為時間的關係，我直接跳到第二題，就核三廠的撤離跟安全準備，剛剛有幾位委員也特別提到，我們現在的疏散量能真的足夠嗎？","quality":0.518},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T10:08:21.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:08:32.541000+08:00","text":"這是我要問的，我想不是只有平常在運轉的安全我們要顧慮，也包含一些極端事故之下人民能不能夠安全撤離。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T10:08:33.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-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