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更具體力"},{"start":319.546,"end":337.1,"text":"獨立性的一個監理制度還有強化對於極端氣候造成的一個複合型的一個災難的一個風險那再來我還要再繼續下一個問題就是河安會身為原職人的一個業務主管機關"},{"start":339.382,"end":354.688,"text":"核能跟輻射安全是天職當然安全不僅在於一個技術的一個數據的堆疊更要能夠獲得社會大眾的信任剛剛我們有很多的委員對於"},{"start":356.328,"end":361.972,"text":"都非常關心有關於社區民眾對河安的參與我們很多委員都很關心公眾參與跟民眾溝通的相關預算我認為河安會目前表現能有很大的改進空間"},{"start":378.843,"end":402.425,"text":"不能夠只有做單向的先導必須能夠做轉向雙向那剛剛我們很多委員都針對一些說明會來做一個說明那我個人認為我們不要一向的單向由上而下應該是由下而上"},{"start":404.046,"end":426.784,"text":"公民參與然後讓這些居民對地方的認同相對的認同以後對於核電廠一樣也就來認同了所以我們在這個地方我想要問說像我們四月的時候所舉辦的一些公開說明會到底你們收集了多少民眾的意見然後這些意見最後又"},{"start":427.565,"end":435.162,"text":"有多少一個被正式採納對於民眾的一個疑慮和安慰是有完整的一個回復追蹤機制"},{"start":436.907,"end":461.841,"text":"跟委員說明在4月28號大部分委員還是提出核電廠運轉的安全核廢料以及緊急應變包括疏散道路等等那這部分我們都已經彙整好了那也已經請相關的單位來提出回應說明那回應完之後我們會再次彙整彙整完我們就會公佈在核安慰的網站"},{"start":462.802,"end":478.908,"text":"另外一部分就是針對這些民眾公眾所提出的意見我們再會去檢視核安會所提出來的意見然後進行交叉比對如果沒有的話我們也會納入我們的審查意見裡面來要求台電公司進行回應說明"},{"start":480.209,"end":492.421,"text":"我們一定要來尊重我們地方居民的一些意見畢竟他們才知道他們真正需要什麼然後他們的風險在哪裡所以我們希望就是說這些說起之後能夠"},{"start":497.246,"end":510.551,"text":"做一個回復的機制何安衛在進行預算溝通的時候有沒有提供詳細的一個媒體先導的一個明細然後來說明你們如何評估這些先導的成效如果你們只拿到媒體的瀏覽次數或是曝光度"},{"start":519.654,"end":521.315,"text":"當作績效,那我覺得這樣做事還不夠的我要求何安慧要建立一套客觀的一個平衡指標然後例如民眾對於胡適知識的正確認知的一個提升"},{"start":535.342,"end":539.665,"text":"參議者的一個溝通對政策的餘力能夠具體減少剛剛我們吳釗文他也有提到有很多事之後是你講的都不夠白話那很多民眾都聽不懂看不懂然後在這個部分你們又要如何來做一個改善呢"},{"start":557.922,"end":586.764,"text":"跟委員報告我們非常了解委員非常關心整個宣導溝通不能只有單項一定要雙項當然除了這些專業的審查之外我們平常我們有辦科普展就是我們到各個縣市去然後直接面對面由我們這些專家直接面對面跟民眾溝通我們也希望說直接拿到這個委員那個民眾對核安會的看法"},{"start":587.364,"end":616.198,"text":"也希望我們這些專家能夠用更白話的語言跟民眾溝通我想這我們會繼續的努力是那剛剛說明了這樣有這麼多的專家到全台灣各個地方來做一個先導那這個先導就一定要到位那如果說你先導不到位民眾很多都不知道來的人不多那也等於就是說浪費掉了這個我想需要就是一定要掌握"},{"start":616.858,"end":640.066,"text":"好 謝謝委員好 那最後就是請何安威一定要記住新任的一個建議來自於對話的一個誠意那本席要求何安威必須要提出具體的一個資訊公開改善的一個方案讓複雜的何安監理書記還有廢棄物的一個管制的一個情形轉化為簡單的易懂的圖卡"},{"start":641.206,"end":662.495,"text":"或者是用此比較白話的信息能夠安全以火的知是公眾的一個潛意所以在這裡不只是剛剛我們所說的不是實驗室裡面的一個數據的報告而是要讓全民都能夠來了解也能夠來投入以上跟大家交流"},{"start":664.824,"end":670.128,"text":"好 謝謝蔡春秋委員的質詢 請主委回座下一位我們有請"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:47:10.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:47:11.210000+08:00","text":"主席好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:47:12.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:47:12.792000+08:00","text":"有請陳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-25T10:47:13.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:47:13.713000+08:00","text":"請主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:47:21.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:47:22.082000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-05-25T10:47:22.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:47:22.482000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:47:24.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:48:06.371000+08:00","text":"今天我們要來審查核安會的預算，本席要先請陳主委能夠理解，對於核安會必要的預算，原則上我一定是支持的，但是每一筆預算都是人民的納稅錢，本席有責任監督預算的編列是否能夠嚴密的執行各項安全管制的工作，並持續地深化國際合作的關係，推動科普教育及人才的培育，然後能夠落實資訊的透明公開以及有效達成與民眾溝通的目標。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:48:06.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:48:35.302000+08:00","text":"所以我要請問主委，核安會今年編列了4,650萬的預算進行核電廠運轉與除役安全管制的相關計畫，核電廠無論是進入除役的階段或面對近期各界所關切的延役議題，安全永遠是最高的原則。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:48:35.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:48:55.169000+08:00","text":"主委，我特別關心的就是核安會本身為監理機關，要如何落實獨立的驗證，不僅僅是書面的審查也就是審查台電的報告。是的。","quality":0.804},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-05-25T10:48:56.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:49:08.695000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，台電公司依法提出除役或再運轉計畫送到會裡面來審查，核安會就是依照法規跟審查導則來進行專業的審查。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-05-25T10:49:09.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:49:32.453000+08:00","text":"至於委員所關心的問題，事實上，不管是除役或再運轉，會裡面除了法規之外，我們也有參考國際的相關經驗，也考量到國內的管制實務，然後去彙編成管制的要項來進行專業的審查，確保各方面的審查可以維持品質而且周詳。","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:49:33.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:49:34.937000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:49:38.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:49:49.049000+08:00","text":"針對具體的獨立驗證方法還有跟國際安全標準同步的評估技術，你能夠舉例說明讓我們能夠充分的了解嗎？","quality":0.622},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-05-25T10:49:52.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:50:17.962000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，比如說耐震這個部分，核安會也透過研究計畫委託學界來幫我們蒐集國外一些先進的專業技術，這部分除了可以加強核安會的專業審查，在台電公司送審耐震報告的時候，核安會就可以更精準地去掌握台電公司是不是符合國際的標準，以上說明。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:50:18.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:50:28.889000+08:00","text":"好，我們希望能夠再更積極地跟國際在安全上都能夠接軌。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:50:28.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:50:52.484000+08:00","text":"再來，現在我們各部會常常在談的就是極端氣候會威脅到電廠的運作跟安全，但是只要增強對核電廠的管制，就能夠有正確的因應方式，讓核能在對抗氣候變遷的能源政策中具有關鍵的地位。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:50:53.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:51:14.648000+08:00","text":"面對極端氣候的常態化，全球核能安全的評估已經將極端氣候納入換照還有安全的要求當中，請問主委，現在的核安檢查是否能夠充分評估極端氣候造成複合式災難的風險嗎？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:51:14.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:51:15.189000+08:00","text":"有做這樣的配套評估嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林組長貞絢","start":"2026-05-25T10:51:21.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:51:44.324000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，目前核電廠每三年都會進行一次評估，就是為了因應委員所關心的這種極端氣候問題，所以像緊急應變計畫區或民眾的防護行動每三年都會做一次，然後把這些複合式災害的風險情境納進來，去做潛勢的分析，以上。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:51:47.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:52:20.393000+08:00","text":"好，我們也希望剛剛所講的這些評估能夠真的到位，能夠透過對氣候變遷的防範然後達到真正的社會韌性，所以本席要求核安會一定要建立一套更透明、更具體、更具獨立性的監理制度，還有強化對於極端氣候造成的複合型災難的風險控管。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:52:21.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:52:43.947000+08:00","text":"再來，我再繼續下一個問題，就是核安會身為原子能的業務主管機關，守護核能跟輻射安全是天職，然而，安全不僅僅在於技術數據的堆疊，更要能夠獲得社會大眾的信任。","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:52:45.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:52:51.290000+08:00","text":"剛剛我們有很多委員都非常關心，有關於社區民眾對於核安的參與，很多委員都很關心。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:52:51.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:53:18.590000+08:00","text":"在公眾參與跟民眾溝通的相關預算，我認為核安會目前的表現仍有很大的改進空間，不能夠只做單向的宣導，必須能夠轉向雙向溝通。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:53:19.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:53:45.253000+08:00","text":"剛剛我們很多委員也都有針對說明會來做一些說明，我個人認為，我們不要單向的由上而下，更應該是由下而上讓公民參與，然後讓居民對地方產生認同，相對的民眾認同了以後，對於核電廠一樣也就來認同了。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:53:45.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:53:56.282000+08:00","text":"所以，在這個地方我想要問，像我們4月的時候所舉辦的公開說明會，到底你們蒐集了多少民眾的意見？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-05-25T10:53:56.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T10:54:01.429000+08:00","text":"然後這些意見最後又有多少被正式採納？","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