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:09.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:34:13.751000+08:00","text":"沒關係，因為我時間有限，是不是直接針對這一題來告訴我們現在的……","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:34:13.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:34:22.193000+08:00","text":"因為一定要經過黨團協商來同意那個定點，或是要再成立一個監督委員會，這些我們都有規劃，我們有在……","quality":0.721},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:34:22.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:34:24.294000+08:00","text":"我指的是時程，我們的時程……","quality":1},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:34:24.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:34:26.954000+08:00","text":"時程一定要經過黨團協商同意才能確定。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:34:27.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:34:28.555000+08:00","text":"但是你一定要有版本，然後我們才能協商吧！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:34:28.555000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:34:29.555000+08:00","text":"大概有，我們都有……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:34:29.555000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:34:30.555000+08:00","text":"對啊，所以我們的時程現在是長什麼樣子？","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:34:30.555000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:34:31.555000+08:00","text":"現在初步規劃的時程。","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:34:29.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:34:31.419000+08:00","text":"其實我也曾跟蔡總召提過，針對黨團協商，如果你沒有大概……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:34:46.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:34:46.856000+08:00","text":"我就是問你的初步時程，現在總是有你自己規劃的版本，對不對？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:34:46.856000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:34:47.856000+08:00","text":"對，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:34:47.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:34:50.659000+08:00","text":"我現在就是要知道你規劃版本的時間，不要再講黨團協商了，因為我們要先知道你的版本是什麼，然後我們再來協商嘛！","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:34:50.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:34:50.819000+08:00","text":"大概沒有問題……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:34:50.819000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:34:51.819000+08:00","text":"所以你現在的時程是什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:34:50.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:34:51.079000+08:00","text":"現在就是原來的六個點，還有在圓山的點嘛！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:34:51.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:35:23.129000+08:00","text":"這要經過黨團協商的時候，這一個時間點，其實各黨團都可以提，各黨團都可以要求院長召集協商來定點以後就可以啟動了，我只能跟張委員報告是這樣，因為院方沒辦法主動把這個點提出來。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:35:23.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:35:34.394000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係，那我想問一下，關於原址整建、原址加院外基地擴建或者是完整遷建新國會園區，這三者的評估方案呢？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:35:40.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:35:52.563000+08:00","text":"就長期的規劃，在院裡面的工作職場當中，滿多人希望是空軍總部，但是因為現在院長對於圓山有另外的想法。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:35:52.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:35:56.466000+08:00","text":"所以看起來是要往遷建的方式來進行對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:35:56.466000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:35:57.466000+08:00","text":"原址整建……","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:35:56.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:36:10.930000+08:00","text":"就地改建也有請參事規劃過，其實我們在民國80年也有過這個想法，就是把監察院跟立法院合併在一起考量，那個是就地改建的方式。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:36:11.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:36:20.412000+08:00","text":"非常抱歉，其實我剛剛問得非常明確，就是我們有三種方案評估，但是這樣聽起來我們好像根本還沒有完整評估的樣子，好像還很模糊，還不知道到底是要用哪一種方案來進行。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:36:20.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:36:22.812000+08:00","text":"我們總共有三種方案，哪一個是比較恰當的？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:36:23.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:36:35.796000+08:00","text":"原址重建到底能不能夠滿足大家現代化的需求，是不是可以成為一個……從投影片我們可以看到其他國家都是把國會變成公共場域，到底我們能不能做到這件事情，現在聽起來是很模糊。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:36:36.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:36:43.338000+08:00","text":"沒關係，因為我時間真的非常有限，那就待會兒討論預算的時候，再請您報告清楚好不好？好。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:36:43.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:37:02.631000+08:00","text":"我想跟秘書長講，很多國家都有設置兒少諮詢委員會，你可以看到像英國或是芬蘭，他們都是透過國會來召開青年議會或是兒童議會。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:37:04.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:37:22.843000+08:00","text":"目前我們的立法院是沒有的，但是行政院及衛福部都有兒少諮詢委員會，他們會透過這個委員會來了解相關政策對兒少到底有沒有形成什麼樣子的影響，但是我們立法院現在是沒有的，我們是不是也可以讓兒少的聲音慢慢進入立法院呢？","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:37:23.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:37:37.269000+08:00","text":"讓他們也可以了解一下我們現在所提的一些法案到底對他們有沒有什麼樣子的影響，如此一來，也許立法委員在思考的時候都可以更審慎一點，不曉得秘書長您的看法是什麼？","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:37:37.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:37:58.155000+08:00","text":"我會朝這個方向，針對張委員的意見我們再來做研究，其實目前所有的法案都有……我昨天也請副秘書長以及我辦公室去稍微理解，我們目前的法案是找兒童專家，但張委員希望是當事人進來成立諮詢會，所以我去考慮……","quality":0.787},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:37:58.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:38:17.322000+08:00","text":"基本上就是透過我們成立一個類似青年議會或是兒童議會，在這個過程之中，可以讓他們更了解議事的進行，也讓他們更了解各個法案可能會對他們造成什麼樣子的影響，所以不只是找他們進來，我們其實是要真正落實這個民主的程序。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:38:17.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:38:23.744000+08:00","text":"我理解，其實立法院在中部長期有一個小小議長營，但是這跟張委員講的不太一樣……","quality":0.618},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:38:23.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:38:25.104000+08:00","text":"對，那是一個活動，所以不太一樣。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:38:25.104000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:38:26.104000+08:00","text":"我知道、我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:38:25.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:38:25.644000+08:00","text":"所以聽起來秘書長可以承諾來研議，對嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:38:25.644000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:38:26.644000+08:00","text":"沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:38:25.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:38:26.705000+08:00","text":"大概多久時間可以提供呢？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:38:26.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:38:27.105000+08:00","text":"大概三個月內。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:38:39.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:38:40.850000+08:00","text":"三個月內提供是不是？好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:38:41.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:38:53.361000+08:00","text":"我希望研議這件事情時，要考量我們要建立多元代表的機制，因為兒童的處境可能是來自於偏鄉、原住民族、新住民族，都應該要一起納入你們研議的思考裡面。好。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:38:57.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:39:27.948000+08:00","text":"另外我也想請教一下，因為我之前有爭取兒童版的立法院導覽，但是有一些團體告訴我，除非是經過委員這邊安排的，才會有兒童版的導覽，如果他們自己來報名的，就沒有兒童版的導覽，這有點背離我們當時的本意，其實我們是希望所有來這邊參觀的兒少、青少年都可以有機會用他們可以理解的語言來理解國會的運作，這部分是不是可以再落實呢？","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:39:29.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:39:41.433000+08:00","text":"沒有問題，針對張委員所提出來的，其實我們有做簡介、也有做一些報告，我知道像范委員都有到德國看過了，就國會的導覽而言，德國國會當然有兒童導覽，所以……","quality":0.738},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:39:47.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:39:54.921000+08:00","text":"我的問題是現在他們自己來報名或是申請的，基本上沒有得到兒童版的導覽，變成是要透過委員申請才有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:39:54.921000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:39:55.921000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:39:55.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:40:05.549000+08:00","text":"所以這不合理啊，因為原本當時做這件事情，就是希望所有進來的兒少都可以使用到，你們都花了錢去做一些訓練跟培訓，這件事情是不是可以落實？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:40:05.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:40:21.659000+08:00","text":"對，我會讓它再精進，因為外面也稱張委員是親子立委，對這一塊當然著墨非常深，所以我們也希望它能夠精進。","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:40:21.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:40:22.039000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係，是不是可以承諾精進，好不好？","quality":0.312},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:40:22.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:40:24.460000+08:00","text":"是不是可以給我一個精進的報告？","quality":1},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:40:24.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:40:26.461000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:40:27.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:40:28.583000+08:00","text":"兩個禮拜應該就可以給我精進的報告？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:40:28.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:40:30.144000+08:00","text":"兩個禮拜可能比較有點困難。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:40:30.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:40:30.404000+08:00","text":"要多久？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:40:30.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:40:30.704000+08:00","text":"一個月？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:40:31.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:40:31.945000+08:00","text":"一個月可以吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:40:34.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:40:36.483000+08:00","text":"對啊，因為以現行的方式如何精進嘛，好不好？好！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:40:37.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:40:50.200000+08:00","text":"最後我快快問一下，其實大家都在講AI了，我們都推了AI基本法，不管是剛剛您也有提到，可能有些國外的國會也都非常關注這件事情，但是你們現在到底有沒有盤點哪些業務，立法院自己有沒有盤點哪些可以放入AI呢？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:40:52.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:41:09.897000+08:00","text":"我所知道，初步是對於議事處跟公報處的部分，因為當時1月21日「AI在國會」回來的報告裡面，我對於圖書館方面是希望再多加盤點。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:41:09.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:41:34.966000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係，我希望你們多加盤點清楚，而且要對應到數發部AI風險的框架裡面，去確保，因為這裡面可能是非常機密的一些資料也好，不太確定你們會蒐集到哪些資訊，所以這些東西都要非常確實的保密，屬於公務機關不得洩漏的部分一定要確實保密。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:41:34.966000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:41:35.966000+08:00","text":"我理解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:41:35.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:41:48.838000+08:00","text":"還有我們的個資，因為現在有一個中國的DeepSeek，它可能也會因為跨境傳輸與資訊外洩的疑慮，被列為公務機關不得使用的AI服務，其他國家也有做類似的規範。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:41:48.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:41:53.222000+08:00","text":"所以是不是可以請立法院自己提出立法院AI使用指引呢？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:41:55.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:41:56.445000+08:00","text":"資訊處大概可以。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:41:57.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:41:58.907000+08:00","text":"那多久的時間？","quality":1},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:41:58.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:42:00.068000+08:00","text":"三個月內。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:42:00.068000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:42:01.068000+08:00","text":"三個月內？","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:42:00.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:42:03.451000+08:00","text":"資訊處昨天有來跟我報告這一點。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T09:42:05.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:42:21.548000+08:00","text":"好，這個內容我講簡單講一下，我希望要把可導入的業務、項目、資料分級、規範，以及禁止使用項目、資安風險評估、人工複核機制，還有揭露標示原則以及試辦的期程，如果你們要試辦的話，都要在這份報告清楚地陳列出來，讓所有的委員知道。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:42:21.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:42:22.108000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝你。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:42:22.608000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:42:23.750857+08:00","text":"謝謝指導。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T09:42:24.050857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:42:25.479429+08:00","text":"謝謝張委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T09:42:25.779429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:42:28.636571+08:00","text":"秘書長，要不要先喝口水？","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:42:28.936571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:42:30.079429+08:00","text":"不用，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T09:42:30.379429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:42:34.093714+08:00","text":"接下來我們請沈發惠委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}