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兩個月好 兩個月我會追喔所以你要清楚知道說這件事情到底發生什麼我們一定會提供好 第四個是已經最後了因為已經超過五分鐘快六分鐘了"},{"start":820.111,"end":826.959,"text":"最後一個就是政府AI補助案納入勞工影響評估跟再培訓的計劃這個也是一樣跟其他的報告一樣兩個月內給本席辦公室好不好好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:08:55.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:08:55.695000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:08:56.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:08:57.177000+08:00","text":"請洪申翰部長。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T11:08:57.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:08:57.277000+08:00","text":"有請洪部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:08:57.277000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T11:09:04.521000+08:00","text":"廖委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:09:04.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:09:04.761000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:09:05.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:09:13.587000+08:00","text":"我想這個禮拜全臺灣很關注的除了今天的主題之外，還有另外一個是COMPUTEX，對不對？是。","quality":0.732},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:09:13.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:09:36.623000+08:00","text":"部長，AI會不會取代工作是這兩年以來大家都非常關切的議題，黃仁勳執行長之前有表示，全球製造業面臨數千萬勞動力短缺，隨著機器人跟AI導入，將會填補人力不足，並帶動經濟成長；他更說，你不會被AI取代，你會被會使用AI的人取代！","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:09:38.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:10:22.095000+08:00","text":"另外還有一個部分，在世界經濟論壇的時候，Google DeepMind執行長跟Anthropic執行長有一個很深度的對談，過去從農業社會進入到工業革命的時候，人類社會有適應性，可是有的適應性是來自於農業社會到工業革命的時候有一百多年的時間適應新的工作、適應新的工作型態、生活型態，可是他們很擔心的是現在AI的發展可能是1到5年或10年內對於我們人類社會衝擊非常大，而衝擊非常大的原因是時間太短，我們來不及適應。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:10:22.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:10:23.976000+08:00","text":"不曉得部長同不同意？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:10:25.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:10:33.001000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，從人類的工作或哪些工作……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:10:33.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:10:39.729000+08:00","text":"沒關係，部長，你就說你同不同意這個短期的衝擊對於人類社會還有勞動市場會造成很大衝擊？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:10:39.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:10:40.951000+08:00","text":"我們非常關注這個衝擊會不會發生。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:10:43.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:10:46.708000+08:00","text":"所以你不確定，你也不同意這個衝擊很大？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:10:46.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:10:47.769000+08:00","text":"這件事情要觀察！","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:10:47.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:10:48.769000+08:00","text":"要觀察嘛，對不對？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:10:48.769000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T11:10:49.769000+08:00","text":"對，而且要非常密切觀察。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:10:49.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:10:51.290000+08:00","text":"要觀察的話就要問一下，部長，其實這也是一個勞動權益的問題，要觀察就是要知道勞動要怎麼調整。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:10:51.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:11:24.356000+08:00","text":"再來，IMF曾經警告全球約有40%的工作會受到AI影響，已開發的經濟體可能更高達60%，臺灣做為高度數位化，製造業跟服務業都仰賴白領流程的經濟體，你剛剛說要密切關注，請問你們有沒有評估過臺灣哪些職務最容易受到AI的衝擊？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:11:24.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:11:38.266000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，我們近期用各種不同的管道，包括也向產業了解，以目前臺灣這個當下，AI的發展是還沒有造成所謂很大程度、大規模的失業，沒有！","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:11:38.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:11:40.067000+08:00","text":"那你們有沒有數據的量化？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:11:41.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:11:47.953000+08:00","text":"但是我們的確看到在美國比較多是一些比較白領的工作……","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:11:47.953000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T11:11:48.953000+08:00","text":"所以我剛剛講到白領工作啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:11:48.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:11:55+08:00","text":"比方說程式設計員或者是一些行政支援，或者是一些客服……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:11:55.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:11:55.841000+08:00","text":"行政管理、客服……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:11:56.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:12:00.625000+08:00","text":"行政管理或客服人員，現在會是在美國這邊……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:12:00.625000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T11:12:01.625000+08:00","text":"那我問你……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:12:00.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:12:05.270000+08:00","text":"大家會比較擔心他們的工作……","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:12:05.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:12:07.913000+08:00","text":"部長，因為時間有限，我想相關的敘述我們大概都有了解。","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:12:07.913000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T11:12:11.397000+08:00","text":"是，這是你問我的啊！","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:12:11.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:12:26.066000+08:00","text":"我們要明確一點的，就是說你們有沒有研究、掌握到過去一年因為AI造成的資遣，或者是職務異動的職位中位數是多少，你們有沒有做到這樣子的研究？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:12:26.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:12:33.793000+08:00","text":"我們有跟一些產業詢問，目前其實還沒有看到，在這個當下還沒有看到很大幅度的資遣狀況。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:12:33.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:12:35.615000+08:00","text":"所以你是用詢問的嘛！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:12:36.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:12:37.057000+08:00","text":"現在你們的做法……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:12:38.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:12:40.860000+08:00","text":"對，在各個產業，包括我們會起一個計畫做這部分的監測。","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:12:42.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:12:43.382000+08:00","text":"請問你們有沒有研究計畫呢？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:12:46.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:12:50.944000+08:00","text":"委員，因為AI的發展的確很快速，但我先講，目前我們看到產業的狀況是，臺灣還沒有因為AI的導入而有大規模的失業或解僱這樣的狀況。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:12:50.944000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T11:12:51.944000+08:00","text":"部長，我覺得這樣的說法……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:12:50.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:13:05.331000+08:00","text":"但是未來會是什麼發展，這部分的確還需要觀察。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:13:05.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:13:20.787000+08:00","text":"部長，說實在的，這樣子的回答我有點擔心，真的有點像鴕鳥心態，其實世界頂尖的專家都已經講出短期的衝擊和職務的變動，就算未來可能製造很大量的工作機會，但是因為現在的變動比較劇烈，到底要怎麼樣轉型很重要！","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:13:20.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:13:21.087000+08:00","text":"委員，我們並沒有樂觀以待。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:13:24.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:13:27.793000+08:00","text":"所以我剛剛的問題就是你的研究計畫什麼時候要出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:13:28.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:13:30.175000+08:00","text":"其實這已經是一、兩年的題目了。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:13:30.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:13:35.198000+08:00","text":"我就要問你們，你們有沒有做一份AI高風險職務清單？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:13:35.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:13:37.119000+08:00","text":"請問你們有做這個東西嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:13:37.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:13:47.886000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，第一個，它可能不是叫做AI高風險職務清單，我們最關心的事情還是勞動權益，跟勞動權益可能會影響的一些類型。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:13:47.886000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T11:13:49.307000+08:00","text":"部長，你這樣的講法……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:13:49.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:13:53.551000+08:00","text":"包括勞動權益會產生風險的類型。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:13:53.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:13:57.215000+08:00","text":"你有做出研究報告，你有在做這個研究和追蹤嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:13:57.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:14:02.119000+08:00","text":"其實不一定是哪一個職類才會有……","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:14:02.119000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T11:14:03.119000+08:00","text":"等一下、等一下……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:14:02.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:14:04.262000+08:00","text":"而是在工作裡面會不會……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:14:05.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:14:09.807000+08:00","text":"部長，我想要問具體一點，就是你現在有什麼成果或是研究嗎？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:14:09.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:14:11.368000+08:00","text":"或者是你有追蹤的機制嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:14:12.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:14:16.035000+08:00","text":"因為現在看起來這都可以用講的，而且講得很模糊，可是事實上本席要告訴你……","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:14:16.035000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T11:14:17.035000+08:00","text":"委員，我們正在研擬，我們正在研擬相關……研擬？","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:14:16.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:14:34.504000+08:00","text":"其實本席之前在我們的委員會早就提過動議，在2024年底的時候，當時跟陳昭姿委員、陳菁徽委員就有說過你們要去做這個研究報告，到現在已經一年多了，但我看不到這個報告。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:14:35.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:14:41.709000+08:00","text":"我們擔心的是已經來臨的時候，我們沒有準備好，才開始要輔導，我們應該提前介入！","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:14:42.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:14:50.856000+08:00","text":"我的意思是你應該要去盤點，要有一個策略性的方式，你先盤點現在有可能的衝擊，其實這個我相信已經有大概的方向。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:14:51.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:14:52.457000+08:00","text":"我非常關注這件事情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:14:52.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:14:53.858000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝你非常關注。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:14:53.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:14:54.718000+08:00","text":"非常關注！","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:14:54.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:15:10.589000+08:00","text":"所以我建議你是不是可以承諾在多久時間要盤點出對於AI暴露高風險的職務，並且建立一個AI職務影響類似風險地圖或是風險清單的資料，而且這個清單可能還要分類，究竟要怎麼分類？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:15:11.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:15:24.615000+08:00","text":"譬如是不是要分AI輔助型的職務，或者是流程重組型的職務、高替代風險的職務等等，在職訓的時候才可以精準的去輔導，而不是漫無目的的訓練！","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:15:24.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:15:34.500000+08:00","text":"委員，第一個，現在AI的發展，包括Agentic也是在這半年時間裡面，大家才更大幅使用。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:15:35.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:15:44.226000+08:00","text":"我要說的是AI技術真的是日新月異，它的型態在這半年跟過去半年有很大差別！","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:15:44.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:15:45.387000+08:00","text":"所以，部長你才要在結構上趕快……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:15:45.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:15:54.873000+08:00","text":"所以這一定會是一個滾動性的監測訊息，它不是一份報告，這份報告訂出來以後，未來所有事情就會照這份報告走，並不是這樣！","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:15:55.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:15:59.997000+08:00","text":"部長，我在問的就是……因為我問到現在是看不出你們有很具體或者是可以追蹤研究的方向。","quality":0.757},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:01.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:04.199000+08:00","text":"我們會有一個監測的計畫，我們會定期的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:04.199000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:05.199000+08:00","text":"監測計畫出來了嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:04.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:05.940000+08:00","text":"你的監測計畫是什麼時候出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:05.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:06.801000+08:00","text":"你們現在怎麼監測的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:07.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:08.081000+08:00","text":"多久會發布一次？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:08.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:10.242000+08:00","text":"目前我們其實已經在執行中，現在在執行中。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:11.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:11.923000+08:00","text":"多久發布一次？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:12.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:13.524000+08:00","text":"數據在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:13.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:13.884000+08:00","text":"可能半年。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:14.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:15.465000+08:00","text":"每半年發布一次？對。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:15.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:15.986000+08:00","text":"那你們的數據在哪裡？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王司長厚誠","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:15.986000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:18.478000+08:00","text":"現在在統計。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:18.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:19.459000+08:00","text":"第一期都還沒出來吧？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:19.459000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:20.459000+08:00","text":"現在在統計。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:19.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:23.081000+08:00","text":"第一期還沒出來，那你的半年是什麼時候會出來？年底。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:23.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:23.541000+08:00","text":"今年底喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:25.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:43.173000+08:00","text":"委員，我舉個例子，你應該了解，如果是去年做的，當今天Agent還沒有這麼普遍性使用的時候，可能大家在看的只是生成性AI，可是今年更多的事情大家看的是Agent的時候，就必須把Agent的應用場景跟情境也考慮進去，所以它一定是一個滾動性的需求。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:43.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:47.456000+08:00","text":"所以看得出來，這個Agent的出現比大家預估得還要更早、更快。是。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:48.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:50.537000+08:00","text":"對，所以我擔心的就是這個，我一直在講的……","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:50.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:16:57.701000+08:00","text":"所以我們要讓它是一個滾動性的監測掌握，而不是好像只有一個final report這樣的方式，不是這個方式。","quality":0.796},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:16:58.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:17:01.063000+08:00","text":"我不是要求你有一個final report，它本來就應該是滾動性。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:17:01.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:17:03.404000+08:00","text":"是，我們就是希望它是一個滾動性的方式。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:17:03.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:17:17.793000+08:00","text":"而且要有一個政策的指導，其實就是人工智慧基本法第十五條的確保勞動權益，弭平技能差距，輔導失業就業，其實這都需要後端的追蹤跟數據，還有不斷知道第一線現場哪一些被取代。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:17:18.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:17:19.234000+08:00","text":"還要有計畫。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:17:19.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:17:19.494000+08:00","text":"對，要有計畫！","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:17:22.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:17:40.070000+08:00","text":"因為時間有限，像新加坡有在推動公司培訓委員會，由工會跟雇主共同盤點企業轉型的需求，再搭配政府的補助，把生產力提升，職務再設計，讓公司跟員工的技能一起處理、一起提升。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:17:40.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:17:50.715000+08:00","text":"所以在這種大方向和結構性的部分，是不是你應該先提早準備，以及你們的實時研究追蹤，到底要怎麼樣去追蹤這個變化？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:17:51.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:17:52.416000+08:00","text":"這也是很重要的！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:17:52.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:17:54.817000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分是不是應該可以去做？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:17:55.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:18:14.688000+08:00","text":"尤其是現在轉型的部分，經濟部補助企業轉型、數發部推AI應用、國發會談國家的AI戰略，但是最後受到AI衝擊的勞工就是交給你們處理嘛，我覺得這個部分要提早因應，不能等到最後的時候……","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:18:15.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:18:23.575000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，第一個，目前職訓的系統裡面也有導入AI相關及應用推廣的課程，這些絕對都有，這是勞工端的部分。","quality":0.702},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:18:24.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:18:27.378000+08:00","text":"第二個，對工會的部分，我們其實有補助相關AI應用的課程。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:18:27.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:18:29.440000+08:00","text":"我想問你有沒有追蹤？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:18:29.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:18:38.024000+08:00","text":"因為你剛剛一直說要滾動檢討，你怎麼追蹤現在上課的效果以及這些受訓者，第一個，他有沒有真的再就業？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:18:38.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:18:38.985000+08:00","text":"再就業率多少？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:18:39.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:18:44.567000+08:00","text":"或者在職者接受這些訓練再回到職場時，有沒有實質的用途及應用？","quality":0.536},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:18:45.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:19:03.213000+08:00","text":"因為今天手上沒有相關數據，這些當然要做追蹤，尤其因為前段……比方像去年很多課程教的其實還是生成式AI的應用，可是如果今天大家要上課的話，很可能是要處理Agent上面的應用。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:19:03.213000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T11:19:04.213000+08:00","text":"沒錯，變化得很快，你要怎麼因應？","quality":0.154},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:19:04.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:19:13.018000+08:00","text":"課程其實是不一樣的，也是很多政策與課程設計者的挑戰。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:19:13.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:19:13.018000+08:00","text":"好，總結，部長……","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:19:13.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:19:17.680000+08:00","text":"我沒有辦法保證，今天上完這些課以後就不用再學AI相關知識了，倒也不是這樣。","quality":0.559},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:19:18.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:19:18.620000+08:00","text":"完全理解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:19:20.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:19:23.422000+08:00","text":"部長，因為時間有限，最後是不是可以請你承諾四件事？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:19:23.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:19:33.786000+08:00","text":"第一個所謂的AI高風險職務清單，就是被衝擊的族群還有預警儀表板這部分的研究或者是追蹤，是不是可以承諾做到？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:19:34.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:19:34.867000+08:00","text":"我們會有追蹤計畫。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:19:34.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:19:37.228000+08:00","text":"追蹤計畫什麼時候可以提供給本席辦公室？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:19:37.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:19:38.088000+08:00","text":"下半年吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:19:38.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:19:43.430000+08:00","text":"那是成果，現在你怎麼做的追蹤計畫可不可以先提供給本席辦公室？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:19:43.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:19:44.070000+08:00","text":"兩個月給你。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-06-03T11:19:44.89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