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謝謝主席在今天我們正式開始討論這個獨立機關首長代理制度之前本席又想請法務部部長好 請那個請鄭部長"},{"start":28.821,"end":58.124,"text":"委員好部長部長早據說行政院會今天將通過刑法刑法施刑法跟煙害防治法修法未來只要持有電子煙就會直接沒入並可處三萬元至十萬元的罰還同時也調整假釋的規範未來獨駕酒駕等不能安全駕駛的罪犯累犯五年五年內再犯者不得假釋對於行政院這樣的利益風行的速度本席表示肯定但是"},{"start":58.544,"end":58.844,"text":"他那個整個一個"},{"start":84.161,"end":97.283,"text":"一個獨駕的這部分的確是我們在行會有修法了有提出那個修正草案那委員剛剛關心的就是那個獨駕如果說有累犯的這部分10年內再犯這部分"},{"start":99.765,"end":122.281,"text":"這部分是最終我們是要修到無期徒刑那委員會的確是人命人死就不能復生但是如果說我們獨駕獨駕我們會分別如果說獨駕他惡劣他是有不確定殺人故意的話第二次撞死人才最高是無期徒刑第二次撞死人才最高是無期徒刑請問這樣子符合所謂正義嗎如果說故意有不確定殺人故意就像我們這實務上已經有判死刑的案例了"},{"start":126.324,"end":145.085,"text":"就是有一個因為陳姓的一個駕駛獨駕而造成流性所長的一個什麼這是一審是判無罪檢查是因為用這樣的來做一個起訴的所以這部分我們關心這獨駕的確我們零容忍更何況是有撞死人我們是覺得這是要以緩原判所以這部分我們做一個修法那我想這部分"},{"start":146.286,"end":161.771,"text":"在具體的個案如果說獨家是不確定的殺人故意把人撞死了這是直接進入到殺人罪了這個會判處死刑跟無期徒刑跟十年以上有期徒刑所以這部分實務上已經有案例判死刑了所以這部分我跟委員做一個報告好 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謝謝 那再來請教考試院"},{"start":426.634,"end":453.535,"text":"委員好請問考試院如果重要職務長期由代理人員擔任是否會影響文官制度的穩定性委員您是說考試院的重要職務還是一般的都是一般的重要職務包括現在檢察總長包括所有的當然是盡可能不要太過長期的代理會比較好那進一步而言基層公務人員是否可能因為政策方向不確定而產生疑慮呢"},{"start":456.38,"end":460.21,"text":"如果代理的首長代理首長當然就是"},{"start":461.854,"end":491.11,"text":"如果他代理長又頻繁的更換的話也有可能會造成一些不穩定所以說在制度設計上考試院是否支持建立代理制度期限以避免代理常態化但是就像我剛剛講的如果說代理首長也是頻繁的更換對於那個機關來講可能運作穩定度也是一個需要考慮的因素如果譬如說幾個月就要換一個新的代理人的話那每一位的風格方向未必相同"},{"start":491.751,"end":493.308,"text":"好 謝謝 那再來請教監察院"},{"start":503.385,"end":526.422,"text":"就叫祕書長 若監察院重要職務長期由代理人員擔任是否會影響其獨立性跟權威性獨立性是絕對不會影響因為監察委員本身就必須要一定要本於職權依據法律獨立行使職權這是在整個監察院框進我們的DNA裡面的一個最重要的使命"},{"start":527.321,"end":557.181,"text":"所以你覺得權威性有問題獨立性沒問題是你回答的那所以說因此監察院覺得說不需要提名制度報告提名進度報告機制讓人民可以了解政府是否積極補時期職位我們剛才在報告的時候已經有特別提到我們監察院的組織法就有很明確的代理制度了整個的比如說今天要討論的院長副院長出缺的時候我們是由監察委員來代理"},{"start":558.502,"end":570.472,"text":"所以你覺得代理都沒問題就是了我們目前這個制度的運作在長年的運作並沒有發現任何的憾惡之處最後還是再就教一次法務部部長"},{"start":581.86,"end":603.294,"text":"好 鄭部長 代理檢察總長跟正式檢察所長的職權是否完全一致是一致 那我想這個代理的一個期間徐義代理檢察總長這段時間也行使得非常 提起非常上述那跟委員報告 如果說沒有代理的話所以說完全一致是不是實質上削弱立法院的人事同意權這個絕對沒有架空 這個沒有架空的問題"},{"start":607.737,"end":620.569,"text":"那這個的確是因為我們提跟立完提中我們是一定是提那個提最適合的一個人選那當然是大院沒有沒有最適合的人選代理的總長剛好代理總長的人選他是因為最高檢察署的一個主任檢察官"},{"start":622.851,"end":638.289,"text":"那這是屬於最高層目前總長一個卸職之後他是一個最高職務的一個所以目前法務部不支持透過修法來建立代理期限這部分我們都尊重啦我們是尊重那個法律的修法那我想這部分所以我要一個明確的一些神諾回答"},{"start":639.049,"end":641.893,"text":"所以法務部是否支持透過修法建立代理期限與補提名機制請給我一個yes or no回答"},{"start":657.813,"end":684.567,"text":"跟委員報告 剛才我想監察也提到了那個民定代理期限事實上會出現人事案的一個平反的一個更迭那說實在非常適合檢查中甚至檢查中有出缺的時候那個代理人選都非常多他一定是要在一個檢查體系一個體系非常具有得到望重然後呢這個整個一個學經歷他最威望以及他法律的一個素養"},{"start":685.827,"end":710.102,"text":"謝謝部長 既然你不願意正面回答那我們就可以直接 謝謝部長既然我們法務部部長還有我們現在目前的首長都不願意正面回答這個問題各位在場的先進跟全國好朋友在注意到這個議題的所有知識份子綜合以上討論問題不在代理制度本身而是在其過度被延伸而且缺乏明確的限制"},{"start":711.042,"end":730.791,"text":"當代理無期限延長甚至取代正式任命的時候立法院的人事同意權將被實質架空從近年發展觀察行政權有逐步擴張的趨勢重要職位長期由代理人員擔任憲政制衡機制面臨弱化風險"},{"start":732.27,"end":759.447,"text":"在這裡本席認為應該聚焦在三個改革方案第一建立合理之提名極限第二設立代理制度之明確上限第三要求政府定期向立法院報告補提名的進度總而言之代理制度可以存在但是不應該也不能無限延續同樣的提名權可以行使但必須伴隨著相應的責任最後本席要在這邊強調"},{"start":760.948,"end":783.848,"text":"今天我們的討論並非為特定政黨或個人而是為了維護憲政制度的正常運作唯有總統跟立法院各司其職行政權跟立法權監督權互相制衡國家方能穩定運行反之若形成不同意及長期代理的慣例受損的將是整體憲政根基"},{"start":784.508,"end":802.305,"text":"人民所期待的是一個依法運作權力受制衡的民主法治國家因此我在這邊呼籲賴總統儘速提出事任人選送交立法院審查使民意得以實質監督而並非以代理取代憲法制度以上 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:30:35.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:30:35.684000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:30:36.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:30:42.948000+08:00","text":"在今天正式開始討論獨立機關首長代理制度之前，本席想請法務部部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-25T09:30:43.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:30:43.048000+08:00","text":"請鄭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-25T09:30:55.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:30:56.081000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:30:56.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:30:57.623000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:30:58.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:31:21.401000+08:00","text":"據說行政院院會今天將通過刑法、刑法施行法及菸害防制法修法，未來只要持有電子煙就會直接沒入，並可處3萬元至10萬元的罰鍰，同時也調整假釋的規範，未來毒駕、酒駕等不能安全駕駛罪的累犯，5年內再犯者，不得假釋。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:31:21.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:31:25.544000+08:00","text":"對於行政院這樣雷厲風行的速度，本席表示肯定，但是吊扣駕照、不得假釋也是他犯了罪之後，毒駕加重平均刑度才拉成兩年，這樣實際上會有用嗎？","quality":0.35},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:31:25.544000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-25T09:31:26.544000+08:00","text":"第二次撞死人才最重判無期徒刑，沒有死刑，這樣合理嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:31:26.544000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-25T09:31:27.544000+08:00","text":"能夠說服得了普羅大眾嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:31:27.544000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-25T09:31:28.544000+08:00","text":"被害人還有第二次的生命嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:31:28.544000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-25T09:31:29.544000+08:00","text":"我想請部長正式回答。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-25T09:31:25.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:32:09.827000+08:00","text":"整個毒駕的部分我們的確有在刑法提出修正草案，委員剛才關心的就是，毒駕如果有累犯，10年內再犯，這部分最重我們是要修到無期徒刑。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-25T09:32:10.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:32:18.754000+08:00","text":"的確人死了就不能復生，但如果是毒駕，我們會分別，如果毒駕很惡劣，他有不確定殺人之故意的話，這可以判死刑或無期徒刑。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:32:18.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:32:21.816000+08:00","text":"部長，第二次撞死人最高才是無期徒刑……","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-25T09:32:21.816000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-25T09:32:24.478000+08:00","text":"撞死人要分，看撞死人是故意或過失……","quality":0.267},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:32:24.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:32:26.179000+08:00","text":"請問這樣符合所謂的公平正義嗎？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-25T09:32:26.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:32:29.261000+08:00","text":"如果故意、有不確定殺人之故意，我們實務上已經有判死刑的案例了。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-25T09:32:33.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:32:42.715000+08:00","text":"有一個陳姓駕駛毒駕而造成劉姓所長……一審是判無罪，檢察官是用這樣來起訴的。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-25T09:32:42.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:32:50.644000+08:00","text":"所以這部分委員關心，毒駕的確我們零容忍，更何況是有撞死人，我們覺得要依法嚴辦，所以這部分我們有修法。","quality":0.822},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-25T09:32:51.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:33:08.591000+08:00","text":"我想在具體的個案，如果毒駕有不確定的殺人故意，把人撞死了，這絕對是進入殺人罪了，這個會判處死刑、無期徒刑或十年以上有期徒刑，這部分實務上已經有案例判死刑了，所以這部分跟委員做個報告。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:33:08.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:33:08.751000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長，部長請回。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:33:14.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:33:29.741000+08:00","text":"主席、在場的各位先進及所有的官員，今天本席要討論的不是單純的人事安排問題，更精確地說，本席要談的是我國憲政機關與獨立機關首長代理制度所衍生出來的憲政風險。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:33:30.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:33:40.588000+08:00","text":"這個議題已經不僅指這是誰來代理、代理多久，而且是在檢視我們的憲政體制是否還是依照憲法的原初設計在運作。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:33:43.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:34:02.605000+08:00","text":"從制度的設計本意來看，代理制度係避免首長出缺導致機關運作停滯，本身沒有不當，但是當代理由過渡期措施變成長期安排、甚至實質取代正式任命的機制時，我們就看到問題出來了。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:34:03.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:34:14.215000+08:00","text":"換言之，如果首長長期懸缺，重要職務遲未補實，受影響的不僅是個別機關，更是整體憲政秩序的穩定。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:34:15.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:34:26.625000+08:00","text":"各位在座的先進，在我國憲法設計中，總統提名、立法院同意，並非單純的形式程序，而是五權分立下的重要制衡機制。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:34:27.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:34:35.292000+08:00","text":"而在這個架構當中，總統負責提名，立法院代表人民進行審查，以避免權力集中來自單一來源。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:34:35.993000+08:00","guess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？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-06-25T09:38:58.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:39:13.402000+08:00","text":"獨立性是絕對不會受影響，因為監察委員本身一定要本於職權，依據法律獨立行使職權，這是整個監察院、刻進我們DNA裡面的一個最重要的使命。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:39:14.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:39:16.643000+08:00","text":"所以你覺得權威性有問題，獨立性沒問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:39:16.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:39:17.443000+08:00","text":"這是你回答的意思嗎？","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-06-25T09:39:17.443000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-25T09:39:19.104000+08:00","text":"不是，對不起，權威性的部分……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:39:19.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:39:27.230000+08:00","text":"因此監察院覺得不需要提名進度報告機制，讓人民可以了解政府是否積極補實其職位？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-06-25T09:39:28.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:39:44.161000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們剛剛在報告的時候已經有特別提到，我們監察院的組織法就有很明確的代理制度了，比如說今天要討論院長、副院長出缺的時候，我們是由監察委員來代理的。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:39:45.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:39:46.763000+08:00","text":"所以你覺得代理都沒問題就是了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-06-25T09:39:47.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:39:54.930000+08:00","text":"我們目前這個制度長年運作下來並沒有發現任何扞格之處。","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:39:54.930000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-25T09:39:55.930000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝秘書長，請回。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:39:54.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:39:57.472000+08:00","text":"最後還是要再就教一次法務部部長。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-25T09:40:08.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:40:08.860000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:40:09.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:40:14.384000+08:00","text":"鄭部長，代理檢察總長跟正式檢察總長的職權是否完全一致？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-25T09:40:15.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:40:26.011000+08:00","text":"是一致，我想在這段代理的期間，徐代理檢察總長也提起非常上訴，跟委員報告，如果沒有代理的話……","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:40:26.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:40:28.633000+08:00","text":"完全一致，所以這是不是實質上削弱了立法院的人事同意權？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-25T09:40:28.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:40:29.474000+08:00","text":"這個絕對沒有架空，我們也是有……","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:40:29.474000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-25T09:40:30.474000+08:00","text":"沒有嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-25T09:40:29.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:40:44.186000+08:00","text":"這個沒有架空的問題，因為我們跟立法院提出，一定是提最適合的人選，但是大院沒有同意。","quality":0.703},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:40:44.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:40:46.088000+08:00","text":"最適合的人選，剛好代理總長的人選……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-25T09:40:46.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:40:54.937000+08:00","text":"他是最高檢察署的主任檢察官，總長卸職之後，他是最高職務的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:40:55.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:40:58.921000+08:00","text":"所以目前法務部不支持透過修法來建立代理期限跟補提名機制嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-25T09:40:59.362000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:41:02.866000+08:00","text":"這部分我們都尊重啦，我們是尊重法律修法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:41:04.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:41:05.268000+08:00","text":"我要一個明確的Yes or No的回答，法務部是否支持通過修法？","quality":0.321},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-25T09:41:05.268000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-25T09:41:06.268000+08:00","text":"這部分我們都尊重，因為相關法律是規定在法院組織法第六十六條，這是屬於司法院主管的法規，我們都尊重。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:41:06.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:41:07.871000+08:00","text":"所以法務部是否支持透過修法，建立代理期限與補提名機制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:41:07.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:41:08.873000+08:00","text":"請給我一個Yes or No的回答。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-25T09:41:24.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:41:51.567000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，剛才監察院也有提到，明定代理期限事實上會出現人事案的頻繁更迭，說實在，適合擔任檢察總長職務，或是檢察總長出缺的時候，代理人選都非常重要，他一定要在檢察體系是德高望重，以及整個學經歷、他的威望以及法律的素養……","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:41:52.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:41:58.291000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長，既然你不願意正面回答，那我們就可以直接……謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:41:58.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:42:26.346000+08:00","text":"既然法務部部長還有目前的列席首長都不願意正面回答這個問題，各位在場的先進跟全國的好朋友，以及注意到這個議題的所有知識分子，綜合以上討論，問題不在代理制度本身，而是在其過度被延伸而且缺乏明確的限制，當代理無期限延長，甚至取代正式任命的時候，立法院的人事同意權將被實質架空。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:42:27.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:42:37.791000+08:00","text":"從近年發展來觀察，行政權有逐步擴張的趨勢，重要職位長期由代理人員擔任，憲政制衡機制面臨弱化風險。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:42:39.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:42:54.400000+08:00","text":"在這裡，本席認為應該聚焦在三個改革方案：第一，建立合理之提名期限；第二，設立代理制度之明確上限；第三，要求政府定期向立法院報告補提名的進度。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:42:55.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:43:04.946000+08:00","text":"總而言之，代理制度可以存在，但是不應該也不能無限延續，同樣地，提名權可以行使，但必須伴隨著相應的責任。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:43:05.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:43:30.827000+08:00","text":"最後，本席要在這邊強調，今天我們的討論並非為特定政黨或個人，而是為了維護憲政制度之正常運作，唯有總統跟立法院各司其職，行政權跟立法權（監督權）互相制衡，國家方能穩定運行；反之，若形成不同意即長期代理的慣例，受損的將是整體憲政根基。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:43:31.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:43:48.524000+08:00","text":"人民所期待的是一個依法運作、權力受制衡的民主法治國家，因此我在這邊呼籲賴總統，儘速提出適任人選送交立法院審查，使民意得以實質監督，而並非以代理取代憲法制度。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-06-25T09:43:49.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T09:43:49.305000+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-25T09:43:49.805000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-25T09:43:51.233571+08:00","text":"謝謝林委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（林委員沛祥代）","start":"2026-06-25T09:43:51.533571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-25T09:43:54.676429+08:00","text":"接下來請翁曉玲委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}