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16:26.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:16:26.620000+08:00","text":"氫能的部分？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-01T10:16:26.620000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T10:16:27.620000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-07-01T10:16:27.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:16:31.122000+08:00","text":"我在日本也看過氫能的部分，因為日本在推展氫能。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-01T10:16:31.122000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T10:16:33.163000+08:00","text":"是、是、是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-07-01T10:16:33.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:16:37.124000+08:00","text":"他們在一直強調，就是要推展氫能，所以還是持續在研發。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-01T10:16:38.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:16:47.609000+08:00","text":"國科會應該也有關於海洋、海流的示範性實驗，這都算是比較學術跟科技上的實驗。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-07-01T10:16:48.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:16:52.032000+08:00","text":"那去碳燃氫的部分呢？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-07-01T10:16:53.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:16:54.334000+08:00","text":"還有智慧能源管理呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-01T10:16:54.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:17:01.139000+08:00","text":"我們有時候也會有加氫跟加氨，那也是在實驗階段。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-07-01T10:17:01.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:17:01.900000+08:00","text":"那個部分呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-01T10:17:02.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:17:03.561000+08:00","text":"那個是有在試驗啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-07-01T10:17:04.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:17:05.883000+08:00","text":"有在試驗嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-01T10:17:05.883000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T10:17:07.805000+08:00","text":"對，台電有。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-01T10:17:07.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:17:09.887000+08:00","text":"另外還有地熱，現在是用比較深層式的來挖地熱。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-07-01T10:17:16.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:17:21.214000+08:00","text":"那地熱的部分現在有一個具體的進展嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-07-01T10:17:21.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:17:21.514000+08:00","text":"也沒有嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-01T10:17:22.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:17:42.144000+08:00","text":"同事有跟我說宜蘭冬山有深層式地熱，聽說溫度還不錯，現在只是初步的，還要再多幾口井才可以確認它可能的容量會有多少、蘊藏量會有多少。","quality":0.831},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-07-01T10:17:42.345000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:17:43.605000+08:00","text":"所以目前的進展還沒有，是不是？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-01T10:17:45.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:17:54.847000+08:00","text":"初步看起來那個溫度是夠的，但是蘊藏量有多少還要再花一點時間。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-07-01T10:17:54.847000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T10:17:55.847000+08:00","text":"所以還沒有確定具體的目標？","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-01T10:17:54.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:18:17.181000+08:00","text":"另外，我們很希望在陽明山國家公園的部分，也可以用一個定向井來探測，因為初步看起來那邊也是不錯，不過這個部分是中油跟中研院在合作，此外，跟內政部還有一些法規上要做一些釐清。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-07-01T10:18:17.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:18:49.156000+08:00","text":"因為這個部分提到了中油、台電，未來這500億的預算裡面，對於國內的高碳排的產業，包括石化業、鋼鐵業跟水泥業，對於他們在減碳上，到底有沒有什麼具體的要求以及目標呢？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-01T10:18:52.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:19:17.352000+08:00","text":"國科會的部分，還是要去看一下國科會的具體方案，但至少經濟部的部分，我們剛剛提到了一些示範性的實驗也正在進行當中；就業者來講，比如說他們現在開始有一些碳盤查或是混燒的生質能，對此，我們也有一些實驗跟補助方案，已經開始在進行了。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-07-01T10:19:18.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:19:19.432000+08:00","text":"補助哪一個部分？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳署長志偉","start":"2026-07-01T10:19:23.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:19:34.036000+08:00","text":"我們現在的規劃是，如果是混燒生質能的部分，是不是在FIT的部分要給他一定的投資報酬率，以鼓勵他去減碳？","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"吳署長志偉","start":"2026-07-01T10:19:34.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:19:41.524000+08:00","text":"還有之前有一些燃煤鍋爐，就是慢慢把它改成天然氣，其實那也是一種減碳的措施。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-07-01T10:19:42.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:19:44.545000+08:00","text":"就是把燃煤鍋爐改成天然氣就對了？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"吳署長志偉","start":"2026-07-01T10:19:44.545000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T10:19:45.545000+08:00","text":"對，改成天然氣的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-07-01T10:19:45.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:19:48.046000+08:00","text":"就是那些高耗能的產業，怎麼樣把……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-01T10:19:48.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:19:52.08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