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輔導警方的瘦眼及上游通路查緝我覺得是不是全國要一個一致的處理指引這樣子大家就不會什麼攪亂包括學校部分要不要請教導教授"},{"start":314.063,"end":332.937,"text":"現在目前學校已經針對布里已經針對高中以下的學校有一些相關電子驗的一個處遇流程我想委員進來關心這個配合修法以後的一些精進強化我想剛剛我們衛福部跟布里這邊會共同的來做後續的經濟我想說"},{"start":335.879,"end":354.239,"text":"我想說我這次還是要說明說這裡要求的是查控物件的風險辨識跟成分檢驗不是對學生進行無差別的身體篩檢我覺得還是希望部長能夠承諾在一個月提出一個整合的方案並在修法施行前完成全國一致的處理的指引"},{"start":354.859,"end":381.104,"text":"跟校園的部份 教育部的部份好 我們來跟教育部來討論演算好 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也是有的只是應該沒有抽到這一批啦好 那謝謝 希望護衛部這邊給本委員會報告 好不好我們整個事件調查清楚之後 再給委員詳細的報告好 謝謝部長謝謝 謝謝委員謝謝盧憲英召委的發言 接下來請劉建國"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-07-02T11:30:35.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:30:36.205000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-07-02T11:30:36.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:30:37.251000+08:00","text":"有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-02T11:30:37.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:30:37.714000+08:00","text":"有請石部長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-02T11:30:42.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:30:42.368000+08:00","text":"盧委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-07-02T11:30:44.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:30:47.131000+08:00","text":"針對今天的主題，我有幾個問題想請問部長。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-07-02T11:30:51.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:31:21.159000+08:00","text":"有關校園非法菸品的部分，這次我針對菸害防制法提出了四大部分的修正條文，第一是在第二十五條之一，鼓勵溯源才能抓到上游；第二，第十五條之一、第十五條之二是網路治理要分級，保障原鄉、偏鄉的資訊平權；第三，第三十八條是給偏鄉傳統雜貨店合理的輔導緩衝期；第四是第四十二條之一、第四十二條之二，規定防毒成本應該專款專用，回饋偏鄉醫療。","quality":0.493},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-07-02T11:31:25.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:32:07.320000+08:00","text":"第一是溯源的部分，我們當然贊成把刑罰提高，涉及自由刑、刑事紀錄和犯罪所得沒收的抽象嚇阻力確實高於行政罰，可是我關心的是把類菸品供應鏈刑罰化之後，是否真的可以提高追查製造端、輸入端、網路廣告金主犯罪所得的成效，還是說案件大量進入司法程序之後，卻因為證據保全、成分的檢驗、跨境金額與網路身分追查困難，到最後只是抓到零星的販售業者或是被利用的年輕人，真正的上游和金主仍然在外面。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-07-02T11:32:07.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:32:17.985000+08:00","text":"所以我想知道衛福部對於刑罰化或者是案件量、檢驗量能和檢警調查、上游查緝的成效有沒有做過事前評估？","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-02T11:32:19.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:32:48.746000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，因為目前菸害防制法對於電子煙的查緝是行政罰，行政單位囿於行政權限和資源有限，要完全溯源到上游、完全阻斷確實有它的難度，所以我們這次修法才會提出納入刑罰的部分，就可以結合檢調的力量來往上溯源，這樣查緝的效果應該就會提升。","quality":0.729},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-07-02T11:32:49.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:33:09.680000+08:00","text":"所以我想真正不良的製造商、輸入商跟網路金主都逍遙法外，我們這邊這次提出第二十五條之一，增訂對販賣或者是供應他人的行為人如果能夠證明產品的來源，主動提供上游來源，因而查獲，應該可以減輕或免除其刑。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-07-02T11:33:11.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:33:11.982000+08:00","text":"有沒有這樣的研議？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-02T11:33:16.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:33:54.748000+08:00","text":"當然在量刑的部分，因為這次是納入到刑法，以製造為例，以他量的多少分別科予一到七年的有期徒刑或三年以下的有期徒刑，至於他如果是供輸，他是屬於販賣端，那麼我想因為刑度本來就有一個範圍，讓檢察官或者是讓法官可以在起訴或者是判刑的時候有所裁量，像剛剛委員所提到的，應該也都是在司法判決當中會去思考的。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-07-02T11:33:55.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:34:25.938000+08:00","text":"希望能夠跟法務部共同研議所謂刑罰化執行的整備工作，所以我希望衛福部還是可以給本委員會提出一些書面報告，比如案件通報分流、證物保全、涉毒煙彈的送驗、刑事移送、邊境攔檢、網路違法資訊處理、犯罪所得查扣，以及地方衛生局跟檢察機關的權責分工，不要等到法律公布後，大家才手忙腳亂。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-02T11:34:27.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:34:32.620000+08:00","text":"好，因為這次修法涉及到跨部會，我們會事先都先溝通好。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-07-02T11:34:32.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:34:32.960000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-07-02T11:34:32.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:34:52.789000+08:00","text":"針對剛才我聽到教育部的回應有點錯愕，他說目前還只是構想，如果單純從教官這樣的人力來講，我覺得很像是會雪上加霜，而且會增加很多可能相關人員的一些工作量，我知道現在的量，3年已經增加了7倍，從112年的237件增加到114年的1,692件。","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-07-02T11:34:52.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:35:03.355000+08:00","text":"所以這些難題是不是要有一個指引？","quality":1},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-07-02T11:35:03.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:35:38.871000+08:00","text":"我覺得指引應該明定學校查獲後的保管紀錄、校安通報、通知家長跟移交的程序；第二個，一般違法類菸品以及疑似含毒煙彈的分流標準；第三個，高風險物件優先送驗的條件、證物保全及結果回報的時程；第四個就是確認涉毒以後，如何銜接學生的醫療、春暉輔導、警方的溯源及上游通路查緝，我覺得是不是全國要有一個一致的處理指引，這樣子大家就不會手忙腳亂，包括學校部分。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-02T11:35:41.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:35:42.232000+08:00","text":"要不要請教育部說明？","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"鄭專門委員文瑤","start":"2026-07-02T11:35:45.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:36:03.477000+08:00","text":"目前部裡已經針對高中以下的學校有一些相關電子煙的處遇流程，我想委員近來關心配合修法以後的一些精進強化，衛福部跟部裡這邊會共同的來做後續的精進。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-07-02T11:36:08.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:36:25.219000+08:00","text":"對，我這次還是要說明，這裡要求的是查扣物件的風險辨識跟成分檢驗，不是對學生進行無差別的身體篩檢，我覺得還是希望部長能夠承諾在一個月提出一個整合的方案，並在修法施行前完成全國一致的處理指引。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-02T11:36:25.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:36:27.519000+08:00","text":"跟校園的部分、教育部的部分？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-07-02T11:36:27.519000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-02T11:36:28.519000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-02T11:36:27.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T11:36:29.640000+08:00","text":"好，我們來跟教育部討論研商。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一"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