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謝謝委員所以這個部分其實都已經在進行當中應該很快就可以有成果的就是我們所有的條件都可以符合滿足嘛是 謝謝委員那接下來下一個單位"},{"start":933.613,"end":953.283,"text":"跟維銀報告,海關的部分除了人力之外,第一個我們在這個企圖犬的部分,會來加強的來增加這個一人一犬的這個組數。現在有多少?現在有42組,42組企圖犬。所以就是42條企圖犬的意思?是,是,還有兩隻七煙犬。"},{"start":955.064,"end":973.328,"text":"第二個部分,我們在貨物的S光影像的這個判讀的部分,導入人工智慧來幫助官員,就是輔助官員來判讀跟預警,這是我們要加強的部分。另外一個部分,就是在海關風險分析系統的部分,"},{"start":975.689,"end":999.334,"text":"可能就會要增加 比如說要增加移民署的一些資訊給他引入進來 那麼就可以擴大我們風險分析的效果 以上好 謝謝 接下來我們縣指部委員好 憲兵區分兩個部分報告因為憲兵最主要是針對軍人軍事案件那目前棄如犬 如光武署剛剛所說 我們現在目前總共18頭"},{"start":1001.633,"end":1019.246,"text":"18條是含在那42條裡面嗎 是另外分開的我們到明年也跟關務署那邊有一個簽訂因為現在18頭的話 劃分在北中南東的確還有量能上的不足後續在116年我們總共會增加到25頭來執行營區的勤務"},{"start":1024.329,"end":1042.666,"text":"那另外一部分就是我們這個行建中心在所有的裝備都比較老舊那在明年開始又有3億的預算會針對裡面的尿液篩檢等所有的機械做提升來強化我們的這個驗尿以及所有的真暗的能量以上報告"},{"start":1044.078,"end":1049.505,"text":"因為聽起來所有的單位大概都知道自己可能比較欠缺或者應該要即時要去補強或者應該要有的這些機制都已經有心裡都有盤算我們希望很快的因為我們剛剛提到從"},{"start":1060.439,"end":1064.442,"text":"20年這樣獨家的這樣的一個案件暴增200倍那如果說我們在座的各位都是所有相關最重要的在可能棄毒或者在防止這個毒品氾濫或者在可能在最後如果說把它繩之以法像這樣子大家如果可以通力合作那照你們的說法其實"},{"start":1086.035,"end":1099.63,"text":"錢還有很多資源還有很多條件其實都可以滿足的情況之下我們希望在很快的這些數據資料都可以明顯的降低這個可不可以做到對我們在努力那現在又有一個機制在推動"},{"start":1100.151,"end":1103.033,"text":"我們剛剛提到這些我們請局長也可以做一個通盤的彙整然後我們把它整理出來我們希望看到的是數據資料就是它必須是下降的不然我們提供這麼多的資源或者這樣的相關的預算那你如果說還持續的增加那對不起我們所有的社會大眾我們還在這裡要特別強調因為今天教育部沒有過來"},{"start":1122.827,"end":1150.967,"text":"可是我們請國安局我們蔡局長可以提醒就這個部分尤其是教育界在我們所有學校怎麼樣去保護我們所有的孩子所有的學生其實不受到這樣子的一個汙染或這樣子的殘害因為這種化學品的殘害是永久傷害是那種永久性的傷害這我們真的承擔不起這個部分也請局長可以特別的去"},{"start":1152.068,"end":1158.279,"text":"那績效管理的部分我們再來注意委員特別強調那個績效的部分那教育部正部長的部分我要跟他講好 謝謝謝謝馬委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:10:00.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:10:00.770000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:10:01.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:10:15.364000+08:00","text":"麻煩請蔡局長、內政部、調查局、海巡署、關務署以及憲指部參謀長。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-06T11:10:15.364000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T11:10:16.364000+08:00","text":"請蔡局長及以上單位。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-07-06T11:10:16.364000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T11:10:17.364000+08:00","text":"馬委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:10:15.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:10:15.645000+08:00","text":"局長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:10:21.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:10:33.081000+08:00","text":"我們今天特別邀請國內六大情治單位，大概都可以就今天的議題來做一些討論。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:10:33.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:10:43.688000+08:00","text":"其實很重要的是，我們認為毒品的氾濫已經非常嚴重，以毒駕來看好了，過去酒駕曾經是臺灣社會最憤怒的社會議題，可是現在更難抓、更難驗，而且更難防的問題是毒駕。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:10:43.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:11:06.914000+08:00","text":"當然就是因為這些新興毒品可能有越來越氾濫的情況，而且好像也很不容易去抓獲，所以臺灣接連發生多起疑似毒駕造成的重大死傷事故，從喪屍煙彈、依托咪酯、K他命、安非他命到混合型的新興毒品等等非常多。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:11:07.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:11:29.510000+08:00","text":"我們從一些數據資料看起來，2020年毒駕取締件數大概只有50件，可是到去（2025）年已經高達八千多件，想必今年可能會突破1萬件，案件數暴增了200倍，這是非常驚人的一個數字。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:11:29.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:11:43.476000+08:00","text":"所以我們今天很希望可以有一個具體的答案，剛才有非常多的委員也都非常關切，我們到底應該要怎麼樣去防制。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:11:43.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:12:11.476000+08:00","text":"最重要的是我們即使知道來源從東南亞、中國大陸，不管是原料也好，成品也好，我們知道這些來源，可是我們畢竟是一個封閉型的海島國家，如果我們這麼小的範圍都沒有辦法在國內自己把它做好，其實很難怪罪其他的國家或其他的方式。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:12:11.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:12:44.631000+08:00","text":"所以我們在這裡還是要比較確切地來討論，因為就剛剛提到的，除了社會大眾受到影響以外，現在吸毒的人口越來越多、侵入到校園，除了青少年以外，更多讓人家非常不安、讓家長非常不放心的是連國小的學童都可以接觸到，甚至可以吸食，其實像這樣也是等於被餵養。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:12:44.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:13:06.985000+08:00","text":"今天還有憲兵指揮部也到場，對於軍中我們也非常擔心，在軍中因為現在有很多，像教召兩年變成一年，大概就會有這麼高的天數、這麼頻繁的次數，等於從一般民間到軍中，這樣子的管道是非常頻繁，可能進來的影響也是非常的大。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:13:07.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:13:48.436000+08:00","text":"之前也發生過幾件，剛剛有委員提到，過去像109旅、金門還有發生相關重要的第八軍團這些，其實都可以用郵寄，或者甚至攜帶入營的方式，造成軍中可能有毒品氾濫的狀況。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:13:48.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:14:20.733000+08:00","text":"所以我們今天要特別討論的，剛剛大家有提到不管是來源也好，發生率也好，我想有幾個問題要請教在場這些相關單位的與會代表，因為化學原料要改成成品，即使有修正一些化學式，可是它必須要製成成品。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:14:20.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:14:22.334000+08:00","text":"我們現在有幾個問題，我想要請教的是查獲的案件，他進口的是一般化工原料、中間體還是依托咪酯原料？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:14:22.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:14:22.654000+08:00","text":"有沒有相關的數據資料？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-07-06T11:14:33.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:14:34.643000+08:00","text":"查獲案件的數據資料……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:14:34.643000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T11:14:35.643000+08:00","text":"哪一個相關單位可以說明？","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-07-06T11:14:34.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:14:34.964000+08:00","text":"我是不是請調查局說明？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"連副局長震宗","start":"2026-07-06T11:14:38.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:14:43.158000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，目前走私夾帶的話，當然是以成品為主。","quality":1},{"speaker":"連副局長震宗","start":"2026-07-06T11:14:43.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:14:48.983000+08:00","text":"在原料的部分，大部分都是非列管的化學品。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"連副局長震宗","start":"2026-07-06T11:14:49.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:15:04.254000+08:00","text":"但我們只要發現它可以製造依托咪酯的話，目前高檢署已經預警了有34種未列管的這種化學品，同時也積極地提列第四級毒品的先驅原料，目前已經提列了64種。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"連副局長震宗","start":"2026-07-06T11:15:06.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:15:10.257000+08:00","text":"所以只要發現它是製毒原料的話，我們就會積極提列來查辦。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"連副局長震宗","start":"2026-07-06T11:15:10.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:15:18.466000+08:00","text":"雖然未列管是化學品，我們也會積極了解它的流向，如果它的流向有去從事製毒的話，我們都會積極地來偵辦這些案件。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"連副局長震宗","start":"2026-07-06T11:15:18.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:15:18.666000+08:00","text":"以上報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","s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。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:18:44.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:18:46.076000+08:00","text":"所以合法進口的沒有問題……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林副局長故廷","start":"2026-07-06T11:18:46.076000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T11:18:47.237000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:18:47.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:18:51.378000+08:00","text":"現在發生的，就是剛剛提到的可能用非法進口的方式。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:18:52.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:19:17.634000+08:00","text":"接下來再請教，各位現在都在，我們要怎麼樣建立跨機關，我們先不要說跨境，因為要跟國外共同合作或者共打，這可能都要有對方的意願，可是至少在國內應該基本要做到，如果國內都做不到，遑論跟其他國家做這樣的合作。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:19:18.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:19:27.919000+08:00","text":"我們有沒有建立這樣跨機關，比如說海關、警政、衛福、法務還有異常進口以及流向的預警機制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:19:28.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:19:47.252000+08:00","text":"因為國安局大概能夠掌握一些相關的情資，可是像這些跨機關的進口或者流向，已經知道有很多違法的情資，有沒有做跨機關的預警機制？","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"連副局長震宗","start":"2026-07-06T11:19:49.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:20:08.273000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，剛剛在報告裡面有提到，高檢署從112年1月開始啟用了重大毒品案件情資E化通報系統，只要這些案件有一些條件符合的話，就必須透過這個情資通報系統來通報，高檢署會自動碰撞比對，到目前為止已經有377件是碰撞過來的。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:20:08.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:20:10.434000+08:00","text":"不過剛剛您提到的是已經發生的案件，這樣的通報已經都是事後的救濟動作，我們現在說的是如果有相關的情資，你怎麼樣聯繫所有的相關單位？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:20:10.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:20:12.314000+08:00","text":"其實就是應該要做源頭打擊的動作，比如像可能有非法進口的來源這些，可以做到什麼樣的程度？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:20:37.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:20:38.820000+08:00","text":"目前有嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"連副局長震宗","start":"2026-07-06T11:20:38.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:20:48.110000+08:00","text":"是，跟委員報告，所謂的碰撞，這些都不是偵辦完成的案件，這個是目前發現有情資、有線索，我們會提報到地檢署去繫屬。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:20:48.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:20:51.053000+08:00","text":"他們就會通報所有的相關單位？","quality":1},{"speaker":"連副局長震宗","start":"2026-07-06T11:20:51.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:20:57.419000+08:00","text":"對，這些都是在偵查中的案件，只要碰撞發現有重疊的話，我們就會採取這種合作的方式來處理。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:20:58.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:21:00.261000+08:00","text":"所以簡單來說，我們等一下希望有一個總結的做法，因為剛剛有提到我們應該要做什麼樣的方式，包括海巡也有提到應該還要提供什麼，以海巡來說，現在如果要走私偷渡進來，這個可能也是一個管道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:21:00.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:21:34.416000+08:00","text":"現在全國的全島光纖建置、雷達站，還有很多的紅外線熱像儀、無人機，甚至船艦等等，其實我們提供非常多的資源，也提供了很多的預算，海巡署每年都在做這樣的建置。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:21:35.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:21:45.683000+08:00","text":"可是透過這樣的走私途徑，或者像剛剛說內政或什麼，其實每年的預算都已經非常高了，就這些相關的部分還有什麼不足的，我想請各單位稍微補充說明一下。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:21:52.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:22:02.573000+08:00","text":"以目前氾濫且件數越來越增加的情況，如果毒駕這麼多，表示吸食、使用的人口也非常多。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:22:02.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:22:17.902000+08:00","text":"雖然它是非法的，可是居然還有這麼多人可以持有、這麼多人可以使用，我想其中一定有問題存在，請每個單位就現在還不足的部分，或者能強化精進的部分，可以簡單說明及報告嗎？","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"許副署長靜芝","start":"2026-07-06T11:22:20.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:22:39.670000+08:00","text":"是，跟委員報告，海巡署的部分，目前針對剛剛所提到的依托咪酯還有毒品查緝，已經成立了跨境情資的研析蒐整小組，目前的任務編組也正式運作當中。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"許副署長靜芝","start":"2026-07-06T11:22:40.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:22:46.354000+08:00","text":"最重要的部分是，我們會在高檢署戰情中心的指揮之下，全力來偵辦相關的查緝。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:22:46.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:22:59.020000+08:00","text":"我剛剛詢問的問題，請大家待會回答的是這個部分，就是現在你們認為還有什麼……比如手段、工具、資源、預算，還有哪些不足？","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:22:59.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:23:01.761000+08:00","text":"是不是可以就這個部分先提出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許副署長靜芝","start":"2026-07-06T11:23:03.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:23:10.741000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個部分有關於預算、人力，還有裝備的部分，目前階段我們都可以滿足。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:23:10.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:23:11.381000+08:00","text":"目前可以滿足。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:23:12.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:23:13.162000+08:00","text":"好，接下來，另外……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"連副局長震宗","start":"2026-07-06T11:23:15.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:23:31.709000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，調查局希望能增加人力，因為以目前來看，桃園國際機場第三航廈將於明年啟用，我們的人力略有不足，尤其目前的毒品很多是空中飛人，還有貨運進來的，所以希望能增加查緝的人力。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"連副局長震宗","start":"2026-07-06T11:23:31.709000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T11:23:32.709000+08:00","text":"以上報告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:23:32.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:23:35.593000+08:00","text":"除了人力以外，沒有其他科技的作為嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:23:35.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:23:37.034000+08:00","text":"那沒關係，目前可能需要的是人力的部分，這個也請國安單位就我們在會議當中……其實也應該跟行政院提出這樣的需求。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:23:37.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:23:38.195000+08:00","text":"我們一個一個來，看大家的需求是什麼？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-07-06T11:23:52.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:24:12.433000+08:00","text":"我跟委員說明一下，我們國安局大概在科技能量上比較強，所以針對科技偵蒐的部分，我們會提供相關的國安情報機關來強化這方面的能力，包括暗網的偵蒐，以及包括我今天早上跟媒體朋友說明的無人機操控運用，這部分我們會來加強。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-07-06T11:24:12.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:24:27.978000+08:00","text":"第二個是在政策面，因為行政院這邊涉及到的部會非常多，應該有3位左右的政委在做專案的協調，所以政策面是不是要再加強，對於這些查緝案件行政罰則的提高，這部分也有相關的討論。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-07-06T11:24:27.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:24:29.879000+08:00","text":"另外在執行面的執法上，因為有高檢署在指揮……","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:24:30.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:24:31.019000+08:00","text":"好，因為時間的關係……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-07-06T11:24:31.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:24:33.100000+08:00","text":"所以這部分有一個機制在運作。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:24:33.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:24:38.002000+08:00","text":"好，接下來是內政部，每一個單位先把自己的需求提出來，簡單說明就好。","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"馬次長士元","start":"2026-07-06T11:24:38.002000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T11:24:39.002000+08:00","text":"委員早安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"馬次長士元","start":"2026-07-06T11:24:38.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:24:45.625000+08:00","text":"內政部有幾個部分，第一個是有關毒駕測試試劑的精準度再提高，這個部分我們現在在努力。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"馬次長士元","start":"2026-07-06T11:24:46.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:05.543000+08:00","text":"第二個是關於剛剛有委員提到的先驅化學物質，我們希望有一個緊急列管機制，這個部分透過毒防條例修正，我們現在也在想辦法推動，還有搭配道交條例跟菸害防制法的修正，整個我們把它做一個配套的處理。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"馬次長士元","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:06.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:16.694000+08:00","text":"最後一個就是有關目前員警在取締毒駕的一些作為，我們有做調整，就是讓我們員警的安全性跟取締毒駕的效果能夠更好。","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"馬次長士元","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:16.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:18.776000+08:00","text":"大概是這幾個部分在努力，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:18.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:23.761000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分其實都已經在進行當中，應該很快就可以有成果。是的。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:24.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:26.384000+08:00","text":"就是我們所有的條件都可以符合及滿足嘛。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"馬次長士元","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:26.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:27.685000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:28.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:29.006000+08:00","text":"接下來，下一個單位。","quality":1},{"speaker":"趙副署長台安","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:33.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:44.619000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，海關的部分，除了人力之外，第一個，在緝毒犬的部分，我們會加強增加一人一犬的組數……","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:44.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:45.039000+08:00","text":"現在有多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"趙副署長台安","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:45.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:47.921000+08:00","text":"現在有42組。42組？","quality":1},{"speaker":"趙副署長台安","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:47.921000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:48.921000+08:00","text":"42組緝毒犬。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:48.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:51.162000+08:00","text":"所以就是42條緝毒犬的意思？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"趙副署長台安","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:51.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:53.263000+08:00","text":"是，還有兩隻緝菸犬。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"趙副署長台安","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:55.064000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:26:09.968000+08:00","text":"第二個，在貨物X光影像判讀的部分，導入人工智慧輔助官員來判讀跟預警，這個是我們要加強的部分。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"趙副署長台安","start":"2026-07-06T11:26:10.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:26:24.871000+08:00","text":"另外一個是在海關風險分析系統的部分，可能就要增加比如移民署的資訊，將它引進系統，以擴大風險分析的效果。以上。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:26:25.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:26:26.251000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:26:26.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:26:28.172000+08:00","text":"接下來是憲指部。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"張參謀長純志","start":"2026-07-06T11:26:30.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:26:32.652000+08:00","text":"委員好，憲兵區分兩個部分報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張參謀長純志","start":"2026-07-06T11:26:32.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:26:39.334000+08:00","text":"因為憲兵最主要是針對軍人軍事案件，目前緝毒犬誠如關務署剛剛所說，我們目前總共有18頭，劃分在……","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:26:41.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:26:43.875000+08:00","text":"18條是含在42條裡面嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張參謀長純志","start":"2026-07-06T11:26:43.875000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T11:26:44.875000+08:00","text":"沒有，是分開的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:26:43.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:26:45.316000+08:00","text":"是另外……分開的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張參謀長純志","start":"2026-07-06T11:26:45.316000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T11:26:46.316000+08:00","text":"另外的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張參謀長純志","start":"2026-07-06T11:26:46.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:26:59.246000+08:00","text":"我們在明年也跟關務署有一個簽訂……因為現在18頭劃分在北、中、南、東，的確還有量能上的不足，後續在116年我們總共會增加到25頭，來執行營區的勤務。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"張參謀長純志","start":"2026-07-06T11:27:04.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:27:21.745000+08:00","text":"另外一部分就是我們刑鑑中心的所有裝備都比較老舊，明年開始約有3億的預算，會針對其中的尿液篩檢等機械做提升，來強化驗尿以及所有偵案的能量。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"張參謀長純志","start":"2026-07-06T11:27:22.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:27:22.646000+08:00","text":"以上報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:27:24.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:28:17.248000+08:00","text":"聽起來，所有的單位大概都知道自己可能比較欠缺的、應該要及時補強的，或者應該要有的機制，在這部分心理都已經有盤算，我們希望很快地……因為我們剛剛提到從2020年毒駕的案件暴增200倍，在座的各位都是相關最重要的，可能在緝毒、在防止毒品氾濫，或者在最後若是能把他繩之以法，像這樣子大家如果可以通力合作，那照你們的說法，其實錢、很多的資源，還有很多條件都可以滿足的情況之下，我們希望很快地，這些數據資料都可以明顯地降低，這個部分可不可以做到？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-07-06T11:28:17.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:28:19.630000+08:00","text":"對，我們來努力，現在也有一個機制在推動，謝謝委員的提示。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:28:20.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:28:22.433000+08:00","text":"就剛剛提到的這些部分，請局長也可以做一個通盤彙整，把它整理出來，我們希望看到數據資料必須是下降的，不然我們提供這麼多的資源或相關的預算，如果還持續地增加，那對不起我們所有的社會大眾。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:28:22.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:28:47.831000+08:00","text":"我們在這裡要特別強調……因為今天教育部沒有過來，請國安局蔡局長可以就這個部分來提醒。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:28:48.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:29:10.947000+08:00","text":"尤其在教育界，所有的學校怎麼樣去保護我們的孩子，讓學生不受到這樣子的污染或殘害，因為這種化學品的殘害是永久性的傷害，我們真的承擔不起，這個部分也請局長可以特別地去……","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-07-06T11:29:12.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:29:13.871000+08:00","text":"好，委員特別強調績效管理的部分，我們再來注意。","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-07-06T11:29:16.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:29:18.119000+08:00","text":"另外有關教育部鄭部長的部分，我來跟他講，沒有問題。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-07-06T11:29:18.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:29:18.259000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-06T11:29:18.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:29:18.279000+08:00","text":"謝謝馬委員的質詢。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-06T11:29:18.779000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T11:29:23.636143+08:00","text":"下一位是鄭天財、鄭天財，鄭天財委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-06T11:29:23.936143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T11:29:27.650429+08:00","text":"葉元之、葉元之，葉元之委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-06T11:29:27.950429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T11:29:30.236143+08:00","text":"請陳冠廷委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}