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這個我們用這樣的授權所做的這個基本上是原則性的授權我們所做的相關的這些規定當中欠缺這些細緻的規範跟監督的機制"},{"start":923.666,"end":949.875,"text":"你這個 未來齁 你這一項 你這樣中央的這個監控平台完成了 我們這運用這個AI科技來進行這智慧監獄的管理的時候未來對於關於監控的場所 資料的保存 調閱的權限有關於人臉跟這個生物的這個辨識的這個特徵 這些敏感資料這些敏感資料 你未來在法律上你的調閱權限等等這些東西有沒有一致 要不要留下這些軌跡標註"},{"start":953.598,"end":978.98,"text":"這個都是未來有沒有一致的標準以現行的這個設置科技設備設置使用的管理辦法是不夠的是不是應該要提升到法律的用法律上面來規範我剛所講的這些甚至外部的這個監督機制外部的監督機制還有你未來在這個你這些相關的資料的使用的法律界限"},{"start":980.424,"end":988.547,"text":"包括你這些資料的管理或者是你因為運用AI科技造成的誤判錯誤的救濟機制目前都沒有"},{"start":989.947,"end":1010.935,"text":"目前都沒有這部分時間的關係我就不請署長回來但是我請署長在這個三個月內提出就這個我們這個未來這個智慧監獄的這些相關的這些科技運用的相關法制我們有沒有相關的法制的完備的計畫提出書面報告好不好好謝謝委員的指導上個月內我們提出這個盤點的報告謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:21:57.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:21:58.417000+08:00","text":"主席，我們先請鄭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-08T10:21:58.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:21:59.417000+08:00","text":"有請鄭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-08T10:21:59.417000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:22:00.417000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:21:59.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:22:04.920000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:22:06.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:22:30.363000+08:00","text":"我們今天的議程裡面，有關監獄行刑法修正草案大致上是分成兩大部分，第一個就是剛剛許多委員關心的，有關於死刑定讞之後等待執行的收容期間是不是未來得折抵刑期的問題，這是第一個議題。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:22:30.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:22:42.163000+08:00","text":"另外還有一個部分是，部分條文的修正是有關保外就醫的科技監控，今天我看到的議程大概就這兩個部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:22:43.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:23:10.150000+08:00","text":"第一個部分有關於死刑定讞等待執行期間的刑期折抵問題，我看這邊的案子包括行政院的案子與大部分委員的提案，其實方向大致上都非常接近，但是其中有一個版本跟我們的版本精神比較不符，所以這部分我們在逐條的時候可以討論。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:23:10.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:23:40.678000+08:00","text":"就第二個部分有關保外就醫科技監控，我現在比較關心的是，今天我們僅進行詢答，不過我想了解行政院，因為這部分我看到沒有行政院的版本，行政院的案子現在走到什麼樣的程度，進度走到哪裡？","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:23:40.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:23:42.819000+08:00","text":"因為這裡沒有院版，我沒有看到院版。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-08T10:23:44.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:23:50.358000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，有關收容期間折抵跟不能計入假釋這部分……","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:23:50.798000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:23:50.978000+08:00","text":"這部分有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-08T10:23:51.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:23:51.859000+08:00","text":"這個有，這已經有版本。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:23:51.859000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:23:53.040000+08:00","text":"對，這個有院版。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-08T10:23:53.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:23:57.123000+08:00","text":"另外，有些立委的版本有科控的部分，就是第六十三條有……","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:23:57.123000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:23:58.123000+08:00","text":"第十九條、第六十三條。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-08T10:23:57.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:23:59.225000+08:00","text":"有科控的部分還有第一百……","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:23:59.225000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:24:04.600000+08:00","text":"有的也是第一百三十四條。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-08T10:24:04.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:24:06.982000+08:00","text":"第一百三十四條的部分，這個版本草案目前還在行政院審查中。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:24:15.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:24:17.132000+08:00","text":"所以你們是有草案的啦！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-08T10:24:17.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:24:18.053000+08:00","text":"有草案、有草案。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:24:18.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:24:19.793000+08:00","text":"只是行政院還在審查當中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-08T10:24:19.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:24:20.913000+08:00","text":"行政院還在審查中。好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:24:21.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:24:27.815000+08:00","text":"我希望這個案子本委員會能夠等院版進來，就這個部分……","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-08T10:24:27.815000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:24:29.495000+08:00","text":"就併同審議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:24:29.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:24:42.378000+08:00","text":"就一併審理，因為院版的部分應該也包括整個未來有關於相關保外就醫科技監控的規定都有相關的修正，這部分我希望等院版一起。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:24:44.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:24:48.080000+08:00","text":"我是不是現在請矯正署林署長？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:24:48.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:24:54.965000+08:00","text":"部長，你先請回，如果等一下關於這些矯正署的相關業務，部長認為有政策宣示的部分，再請部長上來。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:24:57.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:24:57.347000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:24:58.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:24:58.648000+08:00","text":"署長好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:24:58.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:25:04.859000+08:00","text":"今天因為也難得署長到本委員會來……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:25:04.859000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:25:05.859000+08:00","text":"應該的，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:25:04.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:25:17.207000+08:00","text":"所以我們就利用這個機會，就這些議題以外，有關於目前智慧監獄AI監控系統建置的部分，我跟署長來做一個了解。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:25:22.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:25:43.995000+08:00","text":"矯正機關剛剛前面委員都提到過，事實上一方面因為打詐還有洗錢相關的這些案件，使得目前收容人數大增，也讓懲教人力的戒護比失衡越來越惡化。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:25:44.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:25:57.180000+08:00","text":"這個部分我看統計，從去（114）年4月到今年5月的統計數字，看起來惡化速度很驚人，收容人數從去年4月5萬9,805人，到今年5月的時候就增加到6萬5,757人。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:26:20.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:26:44.562000+08:00","text":"以預算編制下的戒護人力比，去年是1比9.8，就是1個戒護人員要對9.8個受刑人，到今年又惡化到1比10.6了，而且這個是預算編制下的戒護人力比。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:26:45.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:27:07.169000+08:00","text":"如果戒護人員實際上的缺額，去年709人，一年內增加到775個缺額，看起來這樣是持續在惡化當中，所以實際的戒護人力比從去年的1比11.14人，到現在1個戒護人員已經到12.16人了。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:27:09.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:27:30.023000+08:00","text":"這個比例我們看其他的國家，日本是1個對2.3，美國是1比4.5，新加坡1比6.5，韓國是1比3.0，結果我們是1比12.6，這狀況其實是缺額有很多的問題。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:27:30.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:27:36.045000+08:00","text":"我們過去也一再討論過，為什麼這個缺額會惡化及要如何改善。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:27:38.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:28:07.876000+08:00","text":"過去事實上我看署長在新聞裡面也做過說明，你認為應該由兩個面向解決，從科技安全網及智慧監獄兩個面向下去改善，沒有辦法澈底解決，但是改善目前既有人力比的失衡。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:28:09.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:28:28.556000+08:00","text":"其實我們的科技安全網及智慧監獄計畫是同一個計畫，它是延續的，不是兩個面向，最主要現在大家把AI科技運用在輔助獄政，這個也不是我們臺灣首創。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:28:28.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:29:00.058000+08:00","text":"事實上世界各國在這幾年AI的發展之下……我這裡也列出了其他各國有關於AI運用在輔助獄政的相關狀況，像美國用到出入與周邊管制、監控與盲點消除、安全與辨識、數位化基礎建設等這些部分；像日本跟韓國主要在3D臉部辨識，他們都已經在運用了；英國、新加坡、以色列等，我把這些例子舉出來。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:29:00.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:29:04.506000+08:00","text":"最主要我要關心的是，那我們呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:29:05.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:29:24.636000+08:00","text":"署長在專訪裡面有提到兩個面向，也就是科技安全網及智慧監獄，法務部矯正署所屬矯正機關有一個科技安全網建置計畫，從民國113年到118年，也就是現在正在執行當中的一個計畫，對不對？是。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:29:34.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:30:23.529000+08:00","text":"這個計畫其實就是我剛剛講的，它跟智慧監獄是一個延續性的計畫，智慧監獄政策有三個執行階段，現在是我剛剛所講的113年到118年，這已經是第三階段了，之前第一個階段是在2016年到2019年，我們提到那其實是一個智慧監控系統的影像資料庫建置，這是最早的第一階段，即影像資料庫建置，到第二個階段就是智慧監獄相關的建置計畫，第三個階段是現在才要進入討論的，這個階段基本上是預計要完成全國51個矯正機關的監視系統數位化及整合作業。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:30:27.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:30:34.649000+08:00","text":"我剛剛講的第二個階段，也就是智慧監獄建置計畫，其實那時候有在3所矯正機關試行，是哪3所？","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:30:36.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:30:41.453000+08:00","text":"嘉義看守所，再來是新的，像八德外役監，嘉義看守所、雲林監獄。","quality":0.48},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:30:41.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:30:44.135000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，當初試辦的3個矯正機關是嘉義看守所、屏東看守所跟雲林監獄。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:30:44.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:30:44.175000+08:00","text":"對，雲林監獄。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:30:44.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:30:44.355000+08:00","text":"是這3個。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:30:54.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:30:55.442000+08:00","text":"他們這是有點類似的，最新的是……","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:30:56.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:31:05.394000+08:00","text":"這3個是當初試辦的，而且包括收容人的購物系統、門禁管制等等智慧監控系統，基本上都已經完成了，這個計畫在兩年前就已經結束了。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:31:11.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:31:33.859000+08:00","text":"現在第三階段有一個部分就是把第二階段收容機關所試行的成果推廣到全國51個收容機構全面性地建置，這是其中一個部分；另外還有一個部分是建立中央平臺這個部分，對不對？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:31:34.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:31:35.340000+08:00","text":"雲端中央監控平臺。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:31:38.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:31:56.264000+08:00","text":"對，這個就是我等一下要跟你討論的，就是第三階段的科技安全網建置計畫，裡面你們又分成兩個階段，第一個階段是113年到116年，所以現在正好是到中間。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:31:56.264000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:31:57.264000+08:00","text":"是，這是基礎。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:31:56.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:32:05.870000+08:00","text":"第一階段就是所謂的設備建置，第二階段是從116年到118年，基本上就是維護作業。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:32:06.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:32:06.730000+08:00","text":"維護，就是在運作的部分。","quality":0.3},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:32:07.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:32:09.090000+08:00","text":"就是運轉、維護了。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:32:10.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:32:20.852000+08:00","text":"所以第一階段的建置部分是到116年，到目前為止，我們今年度的預算還沒有審查完畢，請問這對於建置的進度有沒有影響？","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:32:20.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:32:21.432000+08:00","text":"會影響。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:32:21.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:32:22.593000+08:00","text":"有什麼樣的影響？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:32:22.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:32:30.774000+08:00","text":"包括經費動支、採購招標、工程排程，這些如果有影響，會不會導致這整個計畫的目標延後？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:32:31.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:32:36.029000+08:00","text":"這一點先跟委員報告，明天我就要到行政院主計總處做這項報告。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:32:40.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:32:41.014000+08:00","text":"你報告主要的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:32:41.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:33:03.747000+08:00","text":"就是關於116年的經費有十一億多，希望他能夠再編列給我們，因為我們當中有擴大、增加的部分，也就是我們需要做的基礎設施，所以經費有提升五億多，這一點需要再跟主計總處報告說明，通過以後才能撥116年的經費。好。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:33:03.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:33:07.728000+08:00","text":"但是我們今年度的預算也還沒有通過，立法院還沒有審查。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:33:08.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:33:10.088000+08:00","text":"今年度的預算的話，我們早就已經提出。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:33:10.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:33:15.770000+08:00","text":"包括經費動支、包括採購招標、工程排程，這些都有影響。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:33:17.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:33:18.011000+08:00","text":"有，我們會極力來爭取。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:33:19.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:33:19.772000+08:00","text":"這個要極力爭取。是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:33:21.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:33:35.100000+08:00","text":"我剛剛提到在這個階段裡面有一個很重要的重點，就是我們要建立智慧中央監控平臺，除了把過去在3個機構，也就是嘉義看守所、屏東看守所跟雲林監獄……","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:33:36.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:33:39.423000+08:00","text":"完全整合，全國51個監所全部整合起來。","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:33:39.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:33:46.712000+08:00","text":"整合全國51個監所，全部都普設，這是第一個部分；第二個部分就是，在這些部分之後，我們要建立一個中央監控平臺。","quality":0.804},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:33:47.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:33:48.639000+08:00","text":"是，透過這樣的整合之後去做監控。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:33:53.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:34:17.753000+08:00","text":"照你們的說法，以後就是兩個層次、三個監控的架構，兩個層次就是包括矯正署還有各矯正機關，這樣兩個層次結合在一起；另外，三個監控架構是包括場舍、教區跟中央監控架構，就是剛剛我們講的中央監控平臺，這三個通通都要建立。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:34:17.933000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:34:19.114000+08:00","text":"是，都會整合在一起。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:34:22.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:34:31.086000+08:00","text":"現在這個計畫執行到一半，目前51個收容場所已經完成建置的有多少？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:34:35.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:34:36.672000+08:00","text":"有多少已經正式上線運作？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:34:37.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:34:39.118000+08:00","text":"好像是11個監所。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-07-08T10:34:40.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:34:41.379000+08:00","text":"51個目前才11個嘛。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-07-08T10:34:41.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:34:52.603000+08:0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