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我們的標準配備是六個"},{"start":339.281,"end":367.075,"text":"六個哲平那如果有公投那公投數量多的話可能就要再增加一個兩個或三個如果增加到三個以上可能就要外延到投票所外面去了因為跟圈票處的大小空間也有相對應的關係嘛對不對應該都是同樣的size同樣的我覺得你還是要稍微講清楚因為我今天是選民我看到現場沒有六個圈票處那到底是發生什麼原因"},{"start":368.206,"end":389.521,"text":"如果沒有的話可能是投票所選舉人比較少因為我們現在選舉人不一樣所以有最多的是1500人以上的也有1200人以上的也有幾百人的所以有可能是因為人數的不同區的規模還有選民數量"},{"start":392.443,"end":412.371,"text":"那再來我就要請教我們現在選舉投票的地方已經確定了選務人員啊也是上次我請教主委是一個非常大的問題啊今年的選務人員預計招募要19萬3千多人那我們預計在今年的8月31號要招80%其實時間非常的趕只剩一個多月的時間了那"},{"start":413.231,"end":436.068,"text":"我們當時有請教主委針對我們當時112年的時候有對省務人員的薪資福利有做一個調整可是當時人就招不太齊了這個相關的問題請問主委在這一兩個月很短暫的時間請問你到底有沒有做了哪一些措施可以讓你增加聘用省務人員的一些福利是不是可以請主委再回答一下"},{"start":437.688,"end":461.253,"text":"謝謝張委員還有其他的內政委員會委員在上次會議的時候通過的組決議希望我們去協調相關單位來提高選務工作人員的誘因我們在6月17號就開了一個正式的會議中選會邀請了教育部"},{"start":462.113,"end":475.703,"text":"主計總署還有人事總署及其他單位來開會研究怎麼樣解決這個問題我們現在有一個具體的一個方案方便簡單回應一下就是說"},{"start":477.464,"end":495.334,"text":"未來這個補假可以補休兩天已經確定了我們是已經會議達成共識主計總署也口頭上同意至少沒有反對沒有反對討議所以現在大概已經90%確定了就這一點來講我覺得是一個進步"},{"start":500.296,"end":518.509,"text":"那已經簽給行政院等待核定其他的部分也在爭取那比方說工作會要如何根據這個物價指數的調整相對提升還有這些待客的費用那些都很龐大的數目"},{"start":519.309,"end":534.858,"text":"那我們都在都在精算當中好那謝謝主委那今天時間的關係那我還是非常感謝主委這時間來的努力跟付出那當然有些流言蜚語也希望說主委要能扛得住那就祝福年底的學務順利謝謝主委謝謝張委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:32:09.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:32:09.185000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:32:09.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:32:10.706000+08:00","text":"各位委員、各位官員早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:32:10.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:32:11.906000+08:00","text":"有請游盈隆主委。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-16T09:32:12.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:32:20.051000+08:00","text":"麻煩游主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:32:20.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:32:20.472000+08:00","text":"主委早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:32:21.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:32:41.867000+08:00","text":"主委，剛剛你的專案報告主要的重點之一，就是今年年底11月28號的地方大選以及公投綁大選的選務一定要順利成功，不要發生以前的慘痛經驗，這也是本席所希望的，拜託你一定要完成這樣的任務。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:32:44.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:33:02.705000+08:00","text":"年底選舉，不管是地方大選或公投，我們看到立法院在這幾次院會中，已經有6個公投議題一讀通過，未來可能會有二讀或三讀的狀況。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:33:03.026000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:33:21.050000+08:00","text":"這6個公投本席認為都非常重要，包含鞭刑或是廢除非核家園等等，每個公投都非常重要，在此，本席要請教主委，這6個公投對年底選務來說，會不會太多？","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:33:24.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:33:28.203000+08:00","text":"我想我現在不適合去談論這樣一個問題，為什麼呢？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:33:32.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:33:35.033000+08:00","text":"第一，立法院會通過幾個公投？第二……","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:33:36.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:33:40.099000+08:00","text":"我是說以現在的情況來講，已經進入一讀，有可能二、三讀，6個會不會太多？","quality":0.724},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:33:40.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:33:46.421000+08:00","text":"如果是6個，坦白講……我曾經講過，考量……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:33:48.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:33:48.562000+08:00","text":"要與時俱進嘛！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:33:48.562000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T09:33:49.562000+08:00","text":"現在已經有……","quality":0},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:33:48.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:33:56.265000+08:00","text":"在九合一選務量能極限的前提下，一個恰恰好，兩個有點多，三個受不了！","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:33:56.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:34:10.271000+08:00","text":"我是真心誠意的提出這個看法，不是站在誰的利益，而是站在臺灣整體利益的立場，提出這樣一個建議性的看法，提供給大院參考。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:34:11.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:34:35.549000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主委，本席的想法是這6個公投議題都非常重要，當然，主委你的意見也非常重要，所以我相信黨團也會聽你的意見，不管是不是提出公投案的黨團，應該都會再討論，因為公投案非常重要，但也可以分很多不同的年進行，只要有綁大選的機會，都可以來討論和進行。","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:34:35.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:34:51.195000+08:00","text":"所以無論最後會是幾個公投，我都希望不要影響到選舉，我也希望主委可以適時提點我們，務必一定要讓選務順利圓滿，我覺得這個是非常重要的。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:34:52.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:35:09.438000+08:00","text":"謝謝張委員，其實這陣子我覺得最重要的一個工作，就是怎麼樣讓九合一地方選舉能夠順利圓滿完成，另外，也讓幾個提出來的公投議題可以同時舉行，既兼顧選務，也兼顧公投。","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:35:10.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:35:36.375000+08:00","text":"至於什麼是最適境界，這是很重要的一個問題，我們不能單向思考，只從公投角度思考，或是只從選務角度思考，當我們要從多面向思考選務跟公投的時候，就需要有一個新思維，這個新思維就是在兩者都可以達成的情況以下，最適當的公投數目是多少？","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:35:37.0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optimality柏拉圖最適境界，這是經濟學家的概念，不過應用在這上面也非常恰當。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:35:51.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:36:02.451000+08:00","text":"我是指出一個方向，真的很盼望國會以及我們的社會能夠開始去思考這樣的一個問題，從兩方面……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:36:02.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:36:19.751000+08:00","text":"主委，非常多委員也有提出來，就是未來可以參考美國，把公投案或選舉集中在一張選票上，我是覺得如果今年的地方大選沒辦法適用，未來也可以作為中選會參考的目標之一。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:36:20.312000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:36:21.433000+08:00","text":"我們來做研究，來做研究。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:36:22.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:36:35.087000+08:00","text":"第二個，其實民眾關心的是投票會不會塞車、會不會很擠的問題，所以想請教主委有關投票的領票跟圈票處數目。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:36:35.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:36:48.582000+08:00","text":"專案報告中特別提到有2個領票處、6個圈票處，請主委稍微說明一下，是每個投票處都會有6個圈票處來消化排隊民眾，還是說6個是上限？","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:36:49.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:36:57.167000+08:00","text":"因為我們時常看到現場的圈票處只有2、3個，未來如果人數增加，會增加到6個嗎？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:36:57.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:36:58.368000+08:00","text":"會有備用的嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:36:59.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:37:01.149000+08:00","text":"還是你們有什麼樣的機制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:37:01.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:37:06.432000+08:00","text":"我看到你們的報告是寫2個領票處、6個圈票處，是不是可以請主委解釋一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:37:06.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:37:19.318000+08:00","text":"好，現在標準配備是6個遮屏，如果有公投案，還會考慮再增加適當數量。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:37:20.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:37:20.839000+08:00","text":"大概幾個？2個？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:37:20.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:37:24.662000+08:00","text":"再增加2個，變成8個？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:37:24.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:37:27.484000+08:00","text":"8個大概已經快接近極限了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:37:27.544000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:37:35.250000+08:00","text":"可是現場有時候我們並沒有看到那麼多圈票處，是不是選務人員、主任管理員需要就可以增加數量？","quality":0.732},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:37:35.250000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T09:37:36.250000+08:00","text":"大概是怎麼樣的情形？","quality":0},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:37:35.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:37:47.165000+08:00","text":"我們的標準配備是6個遮屏，如果有公投，而公投的數量多的話，可能就要再增加1個、2個或3個，如果……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:37:47.165000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T09:37:48.165000+08:00","text":"可是現場有時候只有2、3個……","quality":0},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:37:47.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:37:51.347000+08:00","text":"增加到3個以上，可能就要外延到投票所外面去了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:37:51.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:37:58.050000+08:00","text":"因為跟圈票處空間大小也有相對應關係，對不對？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:37:58.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:38:01.452000+08:00","text":"應該都是同樣size、同樣的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:38:01.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:38:07.055000+08:00","text":"主委，我覺得你還是要稍微講清楚，今天如果我是選民，我在現場沒有看到6個圈票處，那大概是發生什麼原因？","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:38:08.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:38:10.608000+08:00","text":"如果沒有的話？對。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:38:10.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:38:12.169000+08:00","text":"如果沒有的話，可能是投票所……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:38:12.169000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T09:38:15.491000+08:00","text":"與大小有關？","quality":0},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:38:15.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:38:26.839000+08:00","text":"可能是選舉人比較少，因為選舉人數不一樣，最多的有1,500人以上，有1,200人以上，但也有幾百人的。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:38:27.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:38:29.261000+08:00","text":"所以有可能是因為人數不同，不同區的規模……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T09:38:29.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:38:29.501000+08:00","text":"對，考量選民數量。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-16T09:38:32.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:38:51.811000+08:00","text":"我再請教，現在選舉投票的地方已經確定了，但選務人員是一個非常大的問題，這也是我上次請教過主委的，今年選務人員預計招募十九萬三千多人，在8月31號前要招滿80%，其實時間非常趕，只剩一個多月時間。","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-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