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就是說在檔案上人事就通過了啊是違憲的一個判斷"},{"start":376.178,"end":393.329,"text":"這是只有憲法法庭可以解所以就是說這個公投可以最後可以如果可以投然後這個憲法法庭再判他違憲因為就只有憲法法庭可以來做最前衛的判決所以最後有可能就是這種結果就對了是不是"},{"start":394.366,"end":421.168,"text":"就是說我們就照程序上來講嘛如果憲法法庭因為有人公投結果出來之後那有人去去去釋憲申請釋憲啊因為這個就是你跟你的這個憲法第八號判製就就就就抵觸了啊有可能就是這樣啊所以最後結果有可能投出來又是違憲就是就是有人申請釋憲大家就他就是說你這個公投違憲是否違憲因為我你我都不是大法官所以我們沒辦法決定"},{"start":423.031,"end":445.803,"text":"所以我的意思是說有可能會發生這種結果嗎?是不是?不曉得希望不會啦希望不會是說不會有公投還是說不會有違憲?不過在這裡的確會出現一個問題就是說憲法法庭所做的這些決定根據中選會上一次的一個"},{"start":448.943,"end":470.563,"text":"這是委員會的審查的確已經強烈暗示任何違反憲法法庭的判決的都不以成為公投的項目你說誰強烈暗示就是中選會的委員會的審查的時候對於上次的反會使的公投沒有通過"},{"start":471.86,"end":491.052,"text":"整個中選會委員會當時的思考,已經有這樣的一個強烈的暗示好,那這是第一個齁,這還有六個,但是我趕快簡單講,因為我時間已經到了邊形公投也是啊,邊形公投它至少已經違反了這一個公民政治權利國際公約這兩公約啦,對不對"},{"start":494.434,"end":501.808,"text":"我不能對這個發表任何的評論因為我不適合公投可以限制人權嗎 可以剝奪人權嗎"},{"start":505.134,"end":525.272,"text":"理論上不行不過我們的公投法沒有包括這一項這是未來可能貴院要修法的重點所以你也認為說公投不能去剝奪人民的這一個我當然認為啊但是它不是公投法所列的明定事項的這一個項目啊"},{"start":525.632,"end":543.203,"text":"那所以你就認為說這個會有問題的我認為我們立法院應該未來修法重新考慮公投的項目是否不能違背人權那這個不在籍投票會不會有違反憲法相關的規定"},{"start":547.967,"end":575.899,"text":"比如說違反直接投票的規定啊然後也違反這個憲法正義修條文這個要反國新式投票的這個權利啊因為我是中選會委員會的主席我不宜針對你所提的這個問題表示任何的立場或態度好那所以我接下來要再問啊就是說有些可以透過修法的啊比如說交通法緩專用啊反正立法院就可以修法通過嘛對不對對"},{"start":578.117,"end":588.517,"text":"看起來是啊看起來是嘛 對啊然後呢這個非屬非核家園已經也投過了好幾次了啦熱死的法治的話那其實也是可以透過修法嘛是不是"},{"start":589.494,"end":615.368,"text":"是啊 也是所以我是覺得說這個當然有政治上面的一個目的性你我皆知但是我只是強調說有一些有違憲之餘有一些透過修法就可以用所以我是要減輕你們的負擔是 謝謝你那我們中選會只能依法行政好 那不過你也講出來就是說這個超過一案以上就會開到12點之後是是是好 謝謝 謝謝主委 謝謝主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:22:25.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:22:34.281000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請中選會游主委。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-16T10:22:34.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:22:34.962000+08:00","text":"麻煩游主委。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:22:34.962000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T10:22:42.367500+08:00","text":"李委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:22:42.367500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T10:22:49.773000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:22:49.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:22:55.115000+08:00","text":"年底11月28號最多有可能到六個公投案是不是？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:22:55.115000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T10:22:56.276000+08:00","text":"我不知道。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:22:56.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:22:56.496000+08:00","text":"不知道？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:22:57.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:23:01.698000+08:00","text":"那你知道現在有六個公投案準備要在立法院審查嗎？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:23:01.698000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T10:23:02.698000+08:00","text":"我有注意到。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:23:02.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:23:14.895000+08:00","text":"所以我說有可能最多會有六個公投案會在年底的11月28號來投票，這樣的講法也沒有錯啦！","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:23:16.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:23:19.178000+08:00","text":"請問中選會最後會審查嗎？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:23:19.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:23:20.939000+08:00","text":"當然，依法我們要審查。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:23:22.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:23:27.424000+08:00","text":"所以你們會有准或是不准的結果嗎？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:23:27.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:23:28.204000+08:00","text":"是，會有這樣的狀況。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:23:28.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:23:29.165000+08:00","text":"那什麼樣的狀況下公投會不成立？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:23:35.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:23:50.636000+08:00","text":"我們會依據公投法第二條第二項第三款以及第十五條的相關規定，由委員會審議是否符合這些規定。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:23:51.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:23:55.418000+08:00","text":"也就是有六個公投案最後會到中選會去審查……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:23:57.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:23:57.938000+08:00","text":"如果立法院都通過的話。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:23:57.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:24:10.854000+08:00","text":"我看立法院有可能六個都會通過，所以還會送到中選會審查，中選會審查之後也不一定最後六個都會來公投就對了？","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:24:11.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:24:13.216000+08:00","text":"我不知道結果會是什麼。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:24:13.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:24:29.423000+08:00","text":"可是我之前有聽過主委提到公投數量的問題，主委的意思是說一個還可以處理，如果超過兩個以上，對選務人員來講就是一個很大的負擔。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:24:29.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:24:32.345000+08:00","text":"是，這是一個客觀的現實。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:24:32.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:24:35.626000+08:00","text":"萬一真的有六個公投的話，那怎麼辦？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:24:35.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:24:41.718000+08:00","text":"那我們就只能硬著頭皮扛下來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:24:42.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:24:43.559000+08:00","text":"我的意思是說……","quality":1},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:24:43.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:24:44.719000+08:00","text":"因為這不是我們能選擇的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:24:45.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:24:51.162000+08:00","text":"對，這不是你們能選擇的，但我的意思是會不會造成選務上……","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:24:53.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:24:56.204000+08:00","text":"勢必會造成選務上極大的困難。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:24:56.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:24:56.844000+08:00","text":"你預計這樣開票會不會開到12點之後？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:25:00.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:25:16.391000+08:00","text":"有一點我跟委員報告一下，2022年（民國111年）九合一地方選舉加修憲公投，那一天只有一案，結果開票開到11點40分才結束。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:25:17.5720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-07-16T10:28:59.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:29:00.607000+08:00","text":"就是說……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:29:00.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:29:12.357000+08:00","text":"我們就照程序來講，如果公投結果出來之後，有人去聲請釋憲，因為這和憲判字第8號判決相牴觸啊！","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:29:13.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:29:14.278000+08:00","text":"有可能就是這樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:29:14.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:29:17.641000+08:00","text":"所以最後有可能投出來的結果又是違憲？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:29:17.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:29:21.505000+08:00","text":"就是有人去聲請釋憲，然後就被判決公投違憲。","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:29:21.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:29:26.148000+08:00","text":"關於是否違憲，因為你我都不是大法官，所以我們沒辦法決定。對啊！","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:29:28.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:29:30.372000+08:00","text":"我的意思是說有可能會發生這種結果是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:29:30.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:29:33.754000+08:00","text":"不曉得，希望不會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:29:33.754000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T10:29:34.754000+08:00","text":"希望不會？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:29:34.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:29:37.195000+08:00","text":"希望不會是說不會有公投，還是說不會有違憲？","quality":1},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:29:37.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:30:04.173000+08:00","text":"不過在這裡的確會出現一個問題，就是憲法法庭所做的這些決定，根據中選會上一次委員會的審查，的確已經強烈暗示，任何違反憲法法庭判決的都不宜成為公投的項目。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:30:04.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:30:05.534000+08:00","text":"你說誰強烈暗示？","quality":1},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:30:07.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:30:24.065000+08:00","text":"就是中選會的委員會審查的時候，對於上次反廢死的公投沒有通過，整個中選會的委員會當時的思考已經有這樣的強烈暗示。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:30:24.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:30:28.867000+08:00","text":"好，這是第一個，總共有六個，我趕快簡單講，因為我的時間已經到了。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:30:29.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:30:30.368000+08:00","text":"鞭刑公投也是啊！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:30:31.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:30:36.052000+08:00","text":"鞭刑公投至少已經違反兩公約當中的公民與政治權利國際公約，對不對？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:30:39.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:30:43.121000+08:00","text":"我不能對此發表任何評論，因為我不適合。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:30:44.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:30:46.628000+08:00","text":"公投可以限制人權嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:30:46.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:30:46.808000+08:00","text":"可以剝奪人權嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:30:50.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:30:58.161000+08:00","text":"理論上不行，不過我們的公投法沒有包括這一項，這可能是未來貴院要修法的重點。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:30:58.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:31:01.624000+08:00","text":"所以你也認為公投不能剝奪人民的生命權……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:31:02.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:31:10.072000+08:00","text":"我當然認為，但是它不是公投法所列明定事項的項目。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:31:10.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:31:14.515000+08:00","text":"所以你認為這個是會有問題的？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:31:14.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:31:24.981000+08:00","text":"我認為立法院應該未來修法重新考慮公投的項目是否不能違背人權。好。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:31:24.981000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T10:31:26.282000+08:00","text":"不在籍投票呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:31:26.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:31:39.730000+08:00","text":"不在籍投票會不會違反憲法相關的規定，比如違反直接投票的規定，也違反憲法增修條文有關返國行使投票權利的規定？","quality":0.82},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:31:40.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:31:53.656000+08:00","text":"李委員，因為我是中選會委員會的主席，我不宜針對你所提的問題表示任何的立場或態度。好。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:31:54.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:32:00.899000+08:00","text":"我接下來還要再問，有些可以透過修法，比如交通罰鍰專用，本來立法院就可以修法通過，對不對？","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:32:03.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:32:03.558000+08:00","text":"看起來是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:32:03.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:32:04.820000+08:00","text":"看起來是，對呀。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:32:05.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:32:13.497000+08:00","text":"然後廢除非核家園已經也投過好幾次了；安樂死的法制化其實也可以透過修法，是不是？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:32:14.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:32:14.594000+08:00","text":"也是啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:32:15.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:32:29.262000+08:00","text":"所以我覺得，這當然有政治上面的目的性，你我皆知，但是我只是強調有一些有違憲之虞，有一些透過修法就可以，所以我是要減輕你們的負擔。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:32:29.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:32:32.424000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝你，我們中選會只能依法行政。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:32:33.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:32:37.946000+08:00","text":"好，不過你也講出來，超過1案以上，開票就會開到12點之後。是。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-16T10:32:38.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:32:40.348000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主委，謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-16T10:32:40.848000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T10:32:41.990857+08:00","text":"休息5分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-16T10:32:42.290857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T10:32:43.433714+08:00","text":"休息（10時32分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-16T10:32:43.733714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T10:32:45.448000+08:00","text":"繼續開會（10時38分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-16T10:32:45.748000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T10:32:47.462286+08:00","text":"我們繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-16T10:32:47.762286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T10:32:50.905143+08:00","text":"下一位請鄭正鈐委員質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-16T10:32:51.205143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T10:32:54.348000+08:00","text":"鄭正鈐、鄭正鈐，鄭正鈐不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-16T10:32:54.648000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T10:32:57.790857+08:00","text":"下一位請陳冠廷委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}