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所以院長我們期許你回到你的最愛然後完全根據這些數字來說話根據這些證據來說話那我想我們還是要請教院長因為現在目前為止鬧得沸沸揚揚的這個毒油的食安的一個風暴"},{"start":156.204,"end":179.244,"text":"我记得院长在你在2015年的这个副总统的政见发表会当中你曾经提出了大家觉得你这句话讲得非常好的就是告诉我们食安问题层出不穷今天餐桌上的食物会不会变成明天的头条新闻那是你在2015年所提到的没有错吧但是过了11年你觉得我们现在食安问题还是存在吗"},{"start":180.084,"end":200.28,"text":"是存在的所以呢而且你在副总统的政见上说你特别提到啊每一次的产官学研的这个实案研讨会当中你就不断的在建议应该跨部会的这个实案汇报就像以前的禽流感的这个非常频繁的这个汇报每两周改变一次你觉得现在政府有做到吗"},{"start":201.281,"end":227.322,"text":"我在擔任行政院院長的時候成立了行政院的食安匯報實際上都有在召開而且最重要的我相信食安的問題是中央跟地方要密切合作我完全同意但是院長我還是要提醒為什麼因為你在2024年在行政院院長任內的時候你對於有關於執政8年的食安問題你有做一個總檢討那時候你特別提到了"},{"start":227.842,"end":244.069,"text":"实案问题大部分属于2008到2015马政府时代呢通常都是属于系统性的问题那蔡总统有了实案五环之后呢因为做了很多的实案的部分现在变成个案的问题但是不好意思在过了一个月之后呢发生了苏丹"},{"start":244.909,"end":245.849,"text":"所以這是系統性的問題還是屬於個案性的問題"},{"start":274.381,"end":297.82,"text":"系统性的问题当然是系统性的问题对不对所以不是只有在一些什么我们要就事论事不是只有一个个案的问题而且最重要的原因是当初你当行政院长的时候你非常果敢的马上就下架马上就下架这是我们要给你肯定的但是现在的行政院长却是搞得一个礼拜还不下架你对于他这样你是不是觉得他真的是过得太慢了院长"},{"start":298.3,"end":308.303,"text":"我想最主要的是通報的過程那我就所了解通報以後的隔天衛福部就展開了行動所以這一個通報的時程實際上是最重要隱密的話使得這個整個的時程會有所延誤的確過了一個禮拜才是全面這個事情跟你當初當院長的時候就差距非常的大我覺得院長"},{"start":319.787,"end":345.741,"text":"目前为止就是请你对于他完全缓慢不管因素是什么晚了一个礼拜才下架这个绝对是速度太慢这绝对是没有话讲的所以说呢那个时候的时候大家都认为源头而且你那时候提出来的你那时候就特别提出来的你要把源头查清楚而且你那时候有建立的很多的预警的制度等等之类的但是院长我还是必须要说以现在行政院所取的速度跟你那时候比起来"},{"start":346.161,"end":366.027,"text":"還有那時候提出的警訊到目前為止沒有一項是落實的你同意嗎這個我對於這個案件我覺得最重要的還是中央地方的密切合作以及通報的過程還有對於這個廠商的這個黑心廠商的應該要加強處罰院長你現在講起來很像行政院長"},{"start":368.047,"end":372.529,"text":"我講的是整個食安五環應該要做的事情而且最近也推出了強化食安的五個項目又推出了強化五環已經從食安五環2016年那是讓蔡總統當"},{"start":382.372,"end":385.615,"text":"现在到目前为止2026的我们还在提出了"},{"start":411.832,"end":431.549,"text":"提出更新的你們還是停留在農業部的部分這個是政策建議書沒關係但是呢政策建議書的過程在廖院長的時期現在還有一個政策建議書正在在研議當中對 我是說你現在還停留在你的網站還停留在這邊請趕快來做一個更新我想大家都很想聽到中研院到底能夠給我們的政府什麼樣的部分因為是非常的重要"},{"start":431.949,"end":459.571,"text":"这个实案的部分我们很早以前就有建议书建议书很显然到目前为止不管是中央跟地方的角色在你建议书提出来就像你在2016年所提到的很多的时候你就是没有被采纳所以才造成今天非常大的问题对不起因为今天实际上是第一次业务汇报我还是要问到因为院长你刚刚说在你的这个市政在你未来中研院的部分里面有关于能源转型跟扫子化都是你非常在乎的请问你能源转型也包括核电吗"},{"start":461.598,"end":477.415,"text":"在核电的这个部分有三个很重要的因素一个就是安全技术安全社会共识我完全了解但是你以前在当行人院长的时候你的非核的这个方向都是你所提到的但是现在我们的赖总统要重新"},{"start":477.915,"end":495.138,"text":"考虑到这个核电而且我也问过这个当初的中研院曾经做过核融合的这样技术但是呢中研院告诉我其实核融合的技术没有那么快能够来成型所以我只问你在能源转型的这个过程当中还是会继续往核能的方向来做研发研进吗"},{"start":495.538,"end":523.392,"text":"最近我們在淨零科技的部分沒有包括核能是包括了太陽能地熱能等等還有光電能但是我還是要強調以過去來說你們認為減碳也是在你的這個報告當中淨零轉型都是你們非常重要的一個點但是淨零轉型我還是要強調根據數據來去看的話很顯然距離還是有一大段的一個差別所以要達到你們當初所設定的這個目標裡面我覺得還是有非常大的一個空間所以呢"},{"start":523.772,"end":548.628,"text":"既然院长也当过新任院长你也知道执行上的困难你也知道事情上的困难其实你在做研究的时候未来的整个在研究的配比研究的方向上面能够供给务实给台湾一个真正你觉得可以做到达到的目标我觉得这才是身为一个院长该主导的一个重要的一个角色我们会加强净零排放的研究好谢谢柯志文委员的咨询请院长回座"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:10:29+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-20T09:10:30+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，我們是不是請陳院長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-20T09:10:30+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-20T09:10:31+08:00","text":"有請陳院長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳院長建仁","start":"2026-07-20T09:10:30.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:10:30.740000+08:00","text":"柯委員早。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:10:38.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:10:38.391000+08:00","text":"院長早。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:10:46.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:10:51.195000+08:00","text":"同樣叫院長，不過之前在質詢臺上就是叫行政院長，現在是中研院的院長。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:10:52.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:10:57.998000+08:00","text":"我想院長你在學術專業跟研究成就上無可厚非，大家都非常的敬重……謝謝。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:10:58.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:11:11.246000+08:00","text":"但是因為你擔任過行政院長，還有一連串的政治資歷，我今天第一個開始要就外界對於您在政治中立上的一些觀感還有關注，無可否認的，在場每一位在我們學術界當中都是執牛耳的地位，過去中研院的院長大家也普遍認為應該要保持政治上的中立。","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:11:11.246000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-20T09:11:39.637000+08:00","text":"我首先請問一下，特別是陳院長，你當初辭去院長遴選委員會的副召集人之後，馬上就變成被提名人，外界當然有很多的討論，我想請問院長，你現在還具有民進黨黨員的身分嗎？我有。好。","quality":0.187},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:11:39.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:11:48.503000+08:00","text":"那你認為自己未來如何能夠確保中研院維持超然獨立跟學術的中立，不會受到任何政黨的影響？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"陳院長建仁","start":"2026-07-20T09:11:48.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:12:01.308000+08:00","text":"我擔任任何的角色都會嚴守這一個角色應該有的作為，我現在既然擔任中央研究院的院長，我會努力來追求學術中立，更重要的是來……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:12:01.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:12:10.071000+08:00","text":"我覺得這個非常重要，因為你當過副總統，卸任之後也擔任小英之友會的榮譽總會長，而且在2023年擔任行政院長。","quality":0.578},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:12:10.071000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-20T09:12:22.035000+08:00","text":"我想你幫民進黨做了這麼多公共事務，你現在要從一個民進黨的政黨要角變成一個學術上超然獨立的學者，院長，我們大家還是想了解，未來你有哪一些措施或有哪一些部分，還有包括你給總統的政策建言，能夠完全根據科學與專業的判斷來作為依據嗎？","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"陳院長建仁","start":"2026-07-20T09:12:22.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:12:52.030000+08:00","text":"我本身就是一個學者，學術研究是我的終身最愛，公共服務我覺得是對社會使命的回應，所以我未來擔任中研院院長，當然會完全依據學術專業的立場來對總統提出有關於政策的建言……","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:12:52.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:12:58.918000+08:00","text":"好，所以院長，我們期許你回到你的最愛，然後完全根據數字來說話，根據證據來說話……謝謝。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:12:59.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:13:24.140000+08:00","text":"我們還是要請教院長，因為到現在目前為止，鬧得沸沸揚揚的毒油食安風暴，我記得院長你在2015年副總統候選人的政見發表會當中，你曾經說過一句話，大家覺得你這句話講得非常好，就是告訴我們食安問題層出不窮，今天餐桌上的食物會不會變成明天的頭條新聞，那是你在2015年所提到的，沒有錯吧？","quality":0.702},{"speaker":"陳院長建仁","start":"2026-07-20T09:13:24.140000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-20T09:13:25.140000+08:00","text":"沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:13:24.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:13:27.183000+08:00","text":"但是過了11年，你覺得我們現在還是存在食安問題嗎？","quality":0.476},{"speaker":"陳院長建仁","start":"2026-07-20T09:13:29.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:13:29.625000+08:00","text":"是存在的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:13:30.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:13:30.986000+08:00","text":"所以呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:13:31.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:13:49.100000+08:00","text":"而且你在副總統候選人的政見會上也特別提到，每一次產官學研的食安研討會當中，你就不斷地在建議應該召開跨部會的食安會報，就像以前為應對禽流感而非常頻繁的召開會報，每兩週開會一次，你覺得現在的政府有做到嗎？","quality":0.521},{"speaker":"陳院長建仁","start":"2026-07-20T09:13:50.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:14:02.971000+08:00","text":"我在擔任行政院院長的時候，行政院的食安會報實際上都有在召開，而且最重要的，我相信食安的問題是中央跟地方要密切合作……","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:14:03.071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議當中。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:17:31.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:17:35.605000+08:00","text":"對，我是說現在您的網站還停留在這邊，請趕快來做個更新。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:17:35.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:17:40.529000+08:00","text":"我想大家都很想聽到，中研院到底能夠給我們的政府什麼樣的建議，因為此事非常的重要，我只是提醒你……好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳院長建仁","start":"2026-07-20T09:17:41.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:17:44.532000+08:00","text":"食安的部分我們很早以前就有建議書，而這個建議……","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:17:45.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:17:55.420000+08:00","text":"你的建議書很顯然到目前為止，不管中央跟地方的角色在哪裡，你建議書提出來，就像你在2016年所提到的，很多時候你的建議就是沒有被採納，所以才會造成今天非常大的問題。","quality":0.69},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:17:56.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:17:58.463000+08:00","text":"對不起，超過時間，因為今天是院長第一次業務會報，我還是要問到。","quality":0.481},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:17:59.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:18:08.270000+08:00","text":"院長你剛剛說，未來你們中研院的研究焦點當中，有關於能源轉型跟少子化都是你非常在乎的，請問你，能源轉型也包括核電嗎？","quality":0.577},{"speaker":"陳院長建仁","start":"2026-07-20T09:18:10.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:18:16.844000+08:00","text":"目前在核電的部分有三個很重要的因素，一個就是技術安全……","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:18:16.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:18:18.306000+08:00","text":"社會共識，我完全了解。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:18:18.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:18:37.008000+08:00","text":"但是你以前在當行政院院長的時候，非核的方向都是你也提過的，但是現在我們的賴總統要重新考慮核電，而且我也問過，當初中研院曾經做過核融合的技術，但是中研院告訴我，其實核融合的技術沒有那麼快能夠成形……對。","quality":0.549},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:18:37.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:18:43.056000+08:00","text":"所以我只問，你在能源轉型的過程當中，還是會繼續往核能的方向來做研發嗎？","quality":0.656},{"speaker":"陳院長建仁","start":"2026-07-20T09:18:44.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:18:51.602000+08:00","text":"最近我們在淨零科技的部分沒有包括核能，是包括了太陽能、地熱能等等，還有光電能。好。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:18:51.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:19:12.172000+08:00","text":"但是我還是要強調，以過去來說，你們認為減碳也是在你的報告當中，淨零轉型都是你們非常重要的一個點，但是談到淨零轉型，我還是要強調，根據數據來看的話，很顯然還是有一大段的差距，要達到你們當初所設定的目標，我覺得還是有非常大的一個空間。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-07-20T09:19:12.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:19:30.784000+08:00","text":"所以，既然院長也當過行政院長，你也知道執行上的困難，你也知道施行上的困難，其實你在做研究的時候，未來中研院在整個研究的配比、研究的方向上面能夠更加務實，給臺灣一個真正你覺得可以做到、達到的目標，我覺得這才是身為院長該主導的一個重要的角色。","quality":0.661},{"speaker":"陳院長建仁","start":"2026-07-20T09:19:31.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:19:32.745000+08:00","text":"好，我們會加強淨零排放的研究。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-20T09:19:35.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T09:19:37.608000+08:00","text":"謝謝柯志恩委員的質詢，請院長回座。","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-20T09:19:38.108000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-20T09:19:40.965143+08:00","text":"接下來有請羅廷瑋召委。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}