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peaker":"李代所長建良","start":"2026-07-20T11:14:17.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T11:14:17.886667+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李代所長建良","start":"2026-07-20T11:14:18.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T11:14:36.492632+08:00","text":"簡單報告，有關這個政策建議書大概有兩方面，一方面就是AI政策建議書，這個是在我們法律所的資訊法中心……已經很多年了，今年年底應該會提出一個AI政策白皮書。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"李代所長建良","start":"2026-07-20T11:14:37.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T11:14:55.090769+08:00","text":"另外一方面是資料開放利用的政策白皮書，這個部分我們在院有一個建議書正在形成當中，也會有一個制度性的改革建議，並在今年年底提出。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"李代所長建良","start":"2026-07-20T11:14:55.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T11:14:56.445000+08:00","text":"大概簡單報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-07-20T11:14:56.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T11:14:56.943158+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-07-20T11:14:57.114737+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T11:15:21.878333+08:00","text":"因為去年我們推動了AI基本法，所以其實相關的法制、規範、治理上面我們都很需要中研院為社會提出建議，也因應這點，我要提醒院長，依據中研院組織法第八條，中研院其實是可以選定議題公布政策建議書，對社會提出建言。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-07-20T11:15:22.762857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T11:15:35.060000+08:00","text":"院長，您過去擔任委員其實也參與過多次政策建議書，例如民國100年，當時你參與了「因應新興感染性疾病政策建議書」，那時你是召集人。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-07-20T11:15:35.507059+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T11:15:44.386316+08:00","text":"102年你參與了「高等教育與科技政策建議書」，103年你參與了「國家食品安全維護及環境毒物防治體系建議書」。","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-07-20T11:15:45.152308+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T11:16:19.384242+08:00","text":"我看一下，中研院上一次提出政策建議書也是好多年以前了，我想現在我們臺灣在亞洲或是在全球，其實都是扮演一個滿關鍵的角色，也面對了像氣候變遷、能源轉型、地緣政治風險等等，其實有很多很關鍵、很重大的議題，所以像剛剛提到的，例如AI治理，我們也期待中研院未來幾年能夠對社會再次建言，提出比較全面性的建議書。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳院長建仁","start":"2026-07-20T11:16:20.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T11:16:23.993333+08:00","text":"好，我們來努力，這是很重要的建議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-07-20T11:16:24.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-20T11:16:25.813333+08:00","text":"好，謝謝院長，謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-20T11:16:26.313333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-20T11:16:29.741905+08:00","text":"謝謝吳沛憶委員，請院長回座。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-20T11:16:30.041905+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-20T11:16:33.756190+08:00","text":"下一位請洪孟楷委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}