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Cloud、Microsoft Azure還有AWS，他們全部都是RE100的成員，他們也都宣布要用再生能源來發電，而我們臺灣現在包括大潭、包括協和都是用火力發電，這樣會不會產生衝突？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:38:54+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:39:07+08:00","text":"我們當然是希望再生能源趕快發展，將來天然氣發電如果要符合RE100的話，必須配合CCS，就是配合碳捕捉與封存。好。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-07-22T09:39:07.444444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:39:27+08:00","text":"最後我再補充問一個問題，就是外交部針對巴布亞紐幾內亞的天然氣採購，覺得要重新再檢討，我不知道外交部在宣布這件事情之前有沒有找過經濟部跟能源署這邊討論過？有。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-07-22T09:39:27.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:39:28.714286+08:00","text":"有討論過是不是？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:39:29.166667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:39:30.875000+08:00","text":"但是非正式的，我們有做一些討論。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-07-22T09:39:31+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:39:42.875000+08:00","text":"非正式的討論，所以經濟部也覺得如果外交部希望把天然氣採購變成一個外交的反制工具，你覺得是可行的嗎？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:39:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:39:49.818182+08:00","text":"不是，外交部是詢問我們，如果要採取這樣的方式，會不會影響到我們能源韌性安全的問題？","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:39:50.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:39:51.875000+08:00","text":"他問這樣的問題，那我們就會去盤點。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-07-22T09:39:52+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:39:52.857143+08:00","text":"你們覺得會不會？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:39:53+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:39:56.750000+08:00","text":"在某一個程度之下是我們可以因應的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-07-22T09:39:57+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:40:00.750000+08:00","text":"什麼樣的程度，可不可以具體回答？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:40:01+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:40:09.800000+08:00","text":"因為我們跟巴紐買的部分有分為長約跟現貨市場，長約的部分基本上是很難去改的，現貨市場可以……","quality":0.805},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-07-22T09:40:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:40:27.625000+08:00","text":"部長，因為5月份我們從巴布亞紐幾內亞進口的LNG已經達到11.91%，等於是影響到臺灣1到5月50.5%天然氣的供電，已經達到6%的比例……","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T09:40:27.625000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T09:40:28.625000+08:00","text":"鄭委員，時間到。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-07-22T09:40:28+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:40:37.800000+08:00","text":"我們如果將巴布亞紐幾內亞的天然氣採購當作一個外交工具，你覺得對臺灣的用電會不會產生影響？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:40:38.571429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:40:43.750000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這不會影響到我們天然氣的採購，這是條件跟原則……","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-07-22T09:40:44+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:40:44.888889+08:00","text":"不會影響天然氣採購？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:40:45+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:40:46.888889+08:00","text":"在這個原則之下，我們可以做一些調整。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T09:40:46.888889+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T09:40:47.888889+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-07-22T09:40:47+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:40:51.812500+08:00","text":"所以這個外交工具不會影響臺灣對巴布亞紐幾內亞的天然氣採購？","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:40:54+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:40:58.600000+08:00","text":"我們不會影響到我們整體的採購、不會影響到……","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T09:40:58.600000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T09:40:59.600000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-07-22T09:40:59+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:41:03.666667+08:00","text":"不會影響整體採購，是減少巴布亞紐幾內亞的採購，去買別的地方的天然氣？","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:41:04+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:41:05.777778+08:00","text":"對，有可能可以這樣做，但是不會影響。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T09:41:05.777778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T09:41:06.777778+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-07-22T09:41:06.153846+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:41:07.846154+08:00","text":"但你覺得整體來說不會受影響？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:41:08+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:41:08.857143+08:00","text":"對，整體不會受影響。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-07-22T09:41:09+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:41:09.750000+08:00","text":"OK，理解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T09:41:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:41:12.833333+08:00","text":"謝謝鄭委員，部長先回座。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T09:41:13.333333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T09:41:16.476190+08:00","text":"下一位質詢請洪毓祥委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}