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投資。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:53:03.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:53:06.765000+08:00","text":"他們不是已經要在美國導入2奈米製程了嗎？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:53:07.242222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:53:09.953333+08:00","text":"他要相對投資在臺灣，要比國外要多。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:53:10.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:53:12.962857+08:00","text":"所以我們投審一定要好好的把關。對。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:53:13.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:53:14.140000+08:00","text":"會把關嘛？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:53:14.140000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T09:53:15.140000+08:00","text":"會，這些都會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:53:14.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:53:22.396000+08:00","text":"所以不要說他已經在法說會說了，之後他送進來，你們的投審不敢說「不」，一定會同意，還是要把關。","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:53:22.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:53:23.644000+08:00","text":"對，要把關。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:53:24.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:53:26.480000+08:00","text":"一定要把關鍵技術留在臺灣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:53:26.480000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T09:53:27.820000+08:00","text":"對，沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:53:27.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:53:34.254286+08:00","text":"這個很重要，會影響我們整個臺灣經濟的發展，整個供應鏈都會被影響的，這要特別注意的。是。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:53:34.713333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:53:39.768571+08:00","text":"接下來，我要問一下能源部分，今天我們主席特別排了能源議題。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:53:40.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:53:55.585333+08:00","text":"從我們臺灣再生能源的發展來看，現在整個結構都是以太陽能及風力發電為最主要的發電來源，還有包括水力或是地熱部分。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:53:56.025714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:54:23.217333+08:00","text":"尤其在這地熱的部分，因為地熱是屬於全天候穩定供電的基載型再生能源，它不會受到日照或者是風力的影響，可以提升整個電網韌性，是最具有重要的價值，而且臺灣也位處於環太平洋的地震帶上面，所以地熱的資源是相當豐富的。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:54:24.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:54:30.668000+08:00","text":"我們行政院也在去年的時候，就有核定「地熱減碳旗艦行動計畫」。是。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:54:31.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:54:50.780000+08:00","text":"行動計畫裡有特別設定要在2030年我們裝置容量要達到1.2 GW的目標，但是在這個目標之下，部長在今年4月特別公布說，這個恐怕只能達到200 MW，是這樣子嗎？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:54:51.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:54:55.350000+08:00","text":"它這個差距差了6倍，是什麼原因？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:54:55.350000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T09:54:56.860000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們的努力不變，一定還是持續……","quality":0.235},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:54:56.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:54:57.210000+08:00","text":"努力不變……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:54:57.210000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T09:54:58.260000+08:00","text":"對，努力一定不變。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:54:58.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:54:59.310000+08:00","text":"結果改變。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:55:00.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:55:16.540000+08:00","text":"努力不變，當然現在有好消息，就是如果要達到比較高的裝置容量的話，一定要打到深層，而且熱度要夠，如果都用淺層的話……我們目前大部分都是淺層啦，是沒有辦法……","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:55:16.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:55:18.154545+08:00","text":"所以現在有什麼瓶頸？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:55:18.492941+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:55:23.148000+08:00","text":"現在我們已經有打到一口深層的部分，熱度已經夠了，我們現在……","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:55:23.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:55:24.380000+08:00","text":"有成功探勘的部分。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:55:24.380000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T09:55:25.380000+08:00","text":"對，就是在宜蘭……","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:55:24.962857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:55:29.426154+08:00","text":"在宜蘭的冬山1號地熱井探勘已經成功了。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:55:29.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:55:32.040000+08:00","text":"對，就是熱度已經夠了，我們現在就是要……","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:55:32.513333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:55:34.092000+08:00","text":"只有這一座成功，還有其他的呢？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:55:34.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:55:52.466667+08:00","text":"多打幾口，可以確定裡面的容量是多少，才可以估計它的價值，至少這是一個好消息，如果這個深層有的話，就是一個很好的深層探勘成果，就這個目標，也許我們可以更積極一點。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:55:52.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:55:56.164000+08:00","text":"我們繼續探勘，開發更多成功的例子。是。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:55:56.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:56:03.760000+08:00","text":"因為地熱不受日照跟風力的影響，是比較穩定供電的部分，我們繼續努力。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:56:04.558824+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:56:39.267273+08:00","text":"另外就是關於風力發電這個部分，風力發電分成離岸風電還有陸域風電，最近要開發這一塊的話……離岸風電區塊開發3-1、3-2，因為成本還有物價的提高，導致很多產業都跟我們解約了，所以這個部分不被看好，現在看到可以再努力的部分，就是浮動式離岸風電，是不是我們要在這部分努力？","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:56:39.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:56:42.220000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為我們在離岸風電的部分……","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:56:42.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:56:43.084000+08:00","text":"有在推動嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:56:43.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:56:43.980000+08:00","text":"對，要推動。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:56:44.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:56:44.486667+08:00","text":"要推動？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:56:44.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:56:51.144444+08:00","text":"因為離岸風電有一個比較靠近岸、水深比較淺的部分，可以用固定式的樁，那沒有問題……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:56:51.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:56:52.300000+08:00","text":"就可以用浮動……","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:56:52.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:57:00.357143+08:00","text":"現在，但是往外海推的時候，因為水很深，就沒有辦法再用固定樁了，它是用浮動式的。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:57:00.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:57:03.486667+08:00","text":"那你們有具體的時程跟裝置容量目標？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:57:03.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:57:16.673333+08:00","text":"我們現在就是浮動式的有一個示範性先做，但是固定式的持續在做，你剛才提到3-1、3-2有一些風場釋出來，我們會併到3-3，後續的部分還會往前走。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:57:17.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:57:19.837778+08:00","text":"部長，你這樣講，好像你們都有在推動……","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-07-22T09:57:19.837778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T09:57:20.837778+08:00","text":"有、有、有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:57:20.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:57:28.921538+08:00","text":"那為什麼在今年的全國電力資源供需報告裡面，你們並沒有一個說法出來？","quality":0.968},{"spea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