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員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:33:08.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:33:12.536364+08:00","text":"10年前臺灣股市的市值大概多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:33:12.536364+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:33:20.900000+08:00","text":"10年前應該不到3,000萬左右吧，我看一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:33:20.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:33:26.950000+08:00","text":"市值應該不到20兆，那現在市值是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:33:26.950000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:33:29.600000+08:00","text":"你是說市值，現在市值超過162兆，是全球第四大。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:33:29.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:33:34.300000+08:00","text":"大概160兆，證交稅強強滾啦！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:33:36.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:33:39.800000+08:00","text":"去年證交稅大概編多少？歲入。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:33:40.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:33:41.814286+08:00","text":"您說去年，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:33:42.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:33:46.100000+08:00","text":"去年是114年還是……是，114年。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:33:46.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:33:57.933333+08:00","text":"114年的證交稅收了多少，我們再查一下。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:33:58.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:34:02.825000+08:00","text":"那時候大概是編3,800億左右吧！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:34:03.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:34:08.950000+08:00","text":"114年我們是編了2,694億，實收是2,928億。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:34:08.950000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:34:11.200000+08:00","text":"是，大概3,000億。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:34:11.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:34:12.866667+08:00","text":"大概3,000億。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:34:13.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:34:19.018182+08:00","text":"那請問今年的部分，證交稅截至目前為止已經多少了？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:34:19.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:34:25.300000+08:00","text":"目前為止，到我們6月底的統計，證交稅是收了3,336億。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:34:31.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:34:35.442857+08:00","text":"大概7個月的時間，已經追平了上個年度的歲入。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:34:36.633333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:34:37.966667+08:00","text":"6個月的時間。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:34:38.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:34:46.014286+08:00","text":"預估這樣，算起來的話，如果沒有太大的變動，證交稅今年的歲入應該有多少？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:34:46.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:34:52.077778+08:00","text":"證交稅在今年，我們大概現在粗估的話，可能會超過6,000億吧！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:34:52.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:34:54.050000+08:00","text":"全年會超過6,000億。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:34:56.733333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:35:03+08:00","text":"我算了一下，應該每一個人普發現金1萬是OK的啊！","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:35:03.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:35:04.066667+08:00","text":"有錢啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:35:04.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:35:12.150000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我想政府的財政要考慮整體韌性跟國家建設的需要。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:35:12.733333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:35:14.066667+08:00","text":"韌性也很好啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:35:14.622222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:35:16.177778+08:00","text":"大概3、4年前的話……","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:35:16.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:35:18.150000+08:00","text":"還有舉債的問題……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:35:19.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:35:24.166667+08:00","text":"大概抓5年前，5年前的歲入大概是編多少？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:35:24.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:35:26+08:00","text":"一整個年度、大概。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:35:26.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:35:28.333333+08:00","text":"我們要再看一下實際的數字。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:35:28.833333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:35:36.166667+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實在財劃法修了以後，我們的營業稅本來的收入是三千多億，變成只有一、兩百億了。","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:35:36.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:35:43.500000+08:00","text":"我記得小英總統那個時期，大概是一兆八吧！兩兆。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:35:44.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:35:50.100000+08:00","text":"我們現在成長到快三兆多了、3兆2,000億耶！","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:35:50.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:35:56.350000+08:00","text":"所以其實錢很多，因為歲入增加很多。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:35:58.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:36:10.266667+08:00","text":"我剛剛提的就是，現在K型化社會結構已經到來，一般基層民眾真的嗷嗷待哺啊！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:36:10.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:36:38.477778+08:00","text":"真的賺錢的就是AI、半導體那些電子類的，傳統的部分，大概很多類股已經跌破了20年線，所以本席一直主張多多照顧年輕人、多多照顧辛苦的一般大眾，普發現金1萬勢在必行，你不做，地方都在做了啊！","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:36:38.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:36:52.675000+08:00","text":"今天有很多地方稅務單位列席，地方陸陸續續今年度發5,000、發6,000、發8,000，大概有幾個地方已經開始普發現金了？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:36:55.107692+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:37:34.700000+08:00","text":"這個部分要跟您說明一下，政府的收入當然要做資源最妥善的分配，對於未成年人或者……我先講中小微企業好了，政府已經要提出中小微企業轉型升級的方案，在這裡面我們對於傳統的除了要支持他們轉型升級、AI化、人工智慧化，要讓他們跟上整個產業鏈，這個部分要做；對於青年們的支持，政府也是全面向地在做、多方面地來做，包含企業的支持，然後友善的職業環境……","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:37:34.700000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:37:35.700000+08:00","text":"部長，你在做政令宣導……","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:37:35.700000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:37:36.700000+08:00","text":"我想委員，應該全面……","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:37:36.700000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:37:37.700000+08:00","text":"等一下，因為我時間有限，你去年……","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:37:36.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:37:48.777778+08:00","text":"然後地方政府……剛剛說地價稅、房屋稅減免通通中央補助，可是地方卻在發現金，我想這個部分，財政的資源是要做非常有效的運用，也跟委員說明。","quality":0.678},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:37:49+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:37:52.833333+08:00","text":"部長，去年普發現金1萬，滿意度跟支持度大概是多少？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:37:55+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:02.777778+08:00","text":"這個部分，基本上對於普發現金，財政部跟相關部會都努力在做，讓我們整個發放作業非常地順暢。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:03+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:06.600000+08:00","text":"部長，去年度普發現金1萬塊，滿意度多少？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:07+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:10.714286+08:00","text":"這個部分領取率達到99.16%。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:10.714286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:15.100000+08:00","text":"領取率達百分之九十九點幾。對，是。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:15.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:15.957143+08:00","text":"那滿意度呢？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:16.242857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:16.814286+08:00","text":"支持度。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:17.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:18.814286+08:00","text":"我們從各種面向來做，讓它非常地順暢。","quality":0.312},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:19.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:20.766667+08:00","text":"不是，請旁邊的署長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:21.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:22.918182+08:00","text":"部長，我今天問你，你都沒有回答耶！","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:23.433333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:28.814286+08:00","text":"給你幾分鐘，你趕快把剛剛問的問題回答我一下，請說。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳署長柏誠","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:29.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:32.100000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們有做客服的……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:33.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:34.700000+08:00","text":"滿意度調查啦！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳署長柏誠","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:35.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:36.850000+08:00","text":"客服服務的滿意度。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:37.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:38.433333+08:00","text":"是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳署長柏誠","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:38.433333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:39.433333+08:00","text":"這部分是九十八點多。","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:39.433333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:40.433333+08:00","text":"九十幾？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳署長柏誠","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:40.433333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:41.433333+08:00","text":"九十八點多。98%啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:41.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:44.866667+08:00","text":"表示民眾對於普發現金殷切期盼。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:45.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:52.866667+08:00","text":"再繞回來，剛剛講地方政府，每個地方都有普發現金，5,000、8,000，情況是怎麼樣？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"陳署長柏誠","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:53.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:38:58.914286+08:00","text":"地方政府應該就是看他們自己的財力負擔。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:38:59.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:00.800000+08:00","text":"來，看誰要來講啊？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳署長柏誠","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:01.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:02.342857+08:00","text":"像新竹市有發……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:02.628571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:02.914286+08:00","text":"新竹發多少？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"陳署長柏誠","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:03.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:04.533333+08:00","text":"3,000，是不是……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:05.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:08.966667+08:00","text":"有發的上來好了，時間暫停一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:15.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:17.077778+08:00","text":"請上來，澎湖有發啊！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:17.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:18.800000+08:00","text":"彰化也有發。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:19.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:23.014286+08:00","text":"部長，有發的你有沒有統計？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:23.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:25.014286+08:00","text":"他們都不敢上來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:25.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:26.966667+08:00","text":"地方政府他們在發……他們地方財政……","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:27.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:29.077778+08:00","text":"為什麼他們不敢上來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:29.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:30.900000+08:00","text":"他們不敢上來啊！","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:30.900000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:31.900000+08:00","text":"為什麼不敢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:31.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:34.800000+08:00","text":"因為剛剛他們都舉手說要中央補助3、5億的……","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:35.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:36.900000+08:00","text":"那兩件事嘛！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:37.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:38.309091+08:00","text":"你該做的做嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:38.490909+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:41+08:00","text":"對小孩照顧，對老人也要。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:41.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:43.218182+08:00","text":"地方現在發的情況是怎麼樣？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:43.218182+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:46.400000+08:00","text":"竹北有發啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:46.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:46.900000+08:00","text":"澎湖有發。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:47.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:53.200000+08:00","text":"地方財政單位都在這邊，我想他們可以做說明的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:53.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:55.246154+08:00","text":"部長，你請他們有發的上來講一下啊！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:55.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:56.150000+08:00","text":"要委員請啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:56.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:57.150000+08:00","text":"不是我請。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:57.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:58.733333+08:00","text":"我請了啊！來。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:58.733333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:39:59.733333+08:00","text":"要不然召委請一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:39:59.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:01.114286+08:00","text":"召委請一下，有發的請他上來一下。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:01.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:03.500000+08:00","text":"你要指定哪一個縣市，不能哪一個縣市全部都來……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:03.642857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:05.357143+08:00","text":"不是，有發的大概8個縣市。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:05.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:07.250000+08:00","text":"那你講哪一個縣市啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:08.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:09+08:00","text":"澎湖有發啊！","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:09+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:10+08:00","text":"好，那就請澎湖……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:09.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:13+08:00","text":"彰化、新竹、苗栗，以上……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:13.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:15.100000+08:00","text":"全部都要嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:15.100000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:16.100000+08:00","text":"對，都上來。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:15.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:19.500000+08:00","text":"彰化縣地方稅務局高丞佑科長、黃鉑洧科長。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:19.500000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:20.500000+08:00","text":"還有哪裡？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:20.500000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:21.500000+08:00","text":"澎湖劉瑞明科長。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:21.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:27.500000+08:00","text":"然後呢？新竹……對。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:27.500000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:28.500000+08:00","text":"溫碧蓮副局長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:28.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:29+08:00","text":"苗栗也有發。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:30.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:31.833333+08:00","text":"請上來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:32.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:33.266667+08:00","text":"請上臺。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:34.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:36.446154+08:00","text":"你有列席，我點到你，請你上臺啊！","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:38.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:41.400000+08:00","text":"你要我請他們上來就花了快5分鐘了。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:41.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:43.433333+08:00","text":"沒有，你本來就沒那麼多時間……3分鐘。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:43.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:45.314286+08:00","text":"只剩下一分多鐘而已。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:45.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:47.100000+08:00","text":"趕快上來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:51.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:40:57.314286+08:00","text":"請問一下，你們花這個錢，地方支持度很高，有沒有這個需要？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高科長丞佑","start":"2026-07-22T11:40:57.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:41:03.414286+08:00","text":"委員，不好意思，因為彰化發，我們不是縣裡面有發，是公所他們本身在發的。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:41:04.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:41:05.200000+08:00","text":"公所發多少錢？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"高科長丞佑","start":"2026-07-22T11:41:05.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:41:07.500000+08:00","text":"我們知道花壇有發6,000。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:41:10.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:41:12.033333+08:00","text":"一定是有需要才要發嘛！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:41:14.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:41:18.300000+08:00","text":"最主要是，中央不發這1萬塊，就變成你們地方自己來發啦！","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:41:18.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:41:20.128571+08:00","text":"另外還有誰有發？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:41:26.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:41:28.200000+08:00","text":"部長，你們以後要統一……","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:41:28.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:41:34.133333+08:00","text":"剛剛彰化縣是說縣政府沒有發，發的是花壇鄉公所。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:41:34.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:41:36.400000+08:00","text":"新竹市應該……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:41:36.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:41:38.400000+08:00","text":"對，變成就是地方都有在發嘛！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:41:38.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:41:40.966667+08:00","text":"所以你們……好啦！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:41:41.133333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:41:44.400000+08:00","text":"時間的關係，你們把那個表格再給我好了。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:41:44.981818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:41:50.466667+08:00","text":"我最後講一句話，因為中央都不發，所以地方沒有辦法，就要去發。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:41:51.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:41:58.677778+08:00","text":"我覺得該發就發，因為有很多人是嗷嗷待哺，有的是孤獨老人。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:41:58.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:42:04.677778+08:00","text":"其實我今天要談論的還有遺贈稅的問題，孤獨老死掉的很多，這些以後的理財怎麼辦？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:42:04.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:42:06.746154+08:00","text":"孤老就是剩下他自己一個人。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:42:06.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:42:12.677778+08:00","text":"今天講到遺贈稅的部分，很多東西都還沒問到，好啦……","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:42:12.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:42:13.400000+08:00","text":"謝謝啦！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:42:13.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:42:14.400000+08:00","text":"因為你……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:42:14.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:42:16.566667+08:00","text":"你提供書面給我好了。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:42:17.053846+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:42:18.746154+08:00","text":"對，書面，以後你還有很多質詢的機會。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-07-22T11:42:18.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:42:20.614286+08:00","text":"對，我還在、還遇得到。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:42:20.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:42:21.150000+08:00","text":"謝謝你。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:42:21.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:42:22.150000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:42:23.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:42:26.833333+08:00","text":"下一位質詢的委員，請鄭正鈐委員，鄭正鈐委員、鄭正鈐委員不在。","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T11:42:27+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:42:30.333333+08:00","text":"請鍾佳濱委員，4分鐘。","quality":0.75}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}