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一天一個正式完工、一個要動土。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:13:39.166667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:13:40.833333+08:00","text":"我為什麼要講到這件事情？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:13:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:14:10.818182+08:00","text":"就是因為我們發現中外各個地方有許多無人載具的公司，有像獨角獸這種大型的或新創的公司，甚至有一些已經上市的公司，他們都想要進駐這個園區，所以希望能夠有一個統一的窗口、統一的平臺來得到關於園區的最新訊息，所以就變成這些訊息所使用的語言和翻譯很重要。","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:14:12.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:14:42.833333+08:00","text":"中科院當然有在做他們自己的部分，但是外交部剛才有提到部部都是外交部，如果能夠協助對這個航太園區做一個更完整的說明，結合財政的誘因、經濟的誘因，把我們國家無人載具的發展還有中科院的這些內容全部集編成冊，有各個語言的版本，包括英文或歐洲各國的語文，這樣各個國家的公司在想要進駐的時候就知道要接觸這個窗口。","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:14:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:15:09.555556+08:00","text":"另外，其實我一直在想一個問題，我自己是外交及國防委員會的召委，我常常都遇到大量從國外來臺灣的企業，對於這些企業，其實如果單靠我自己辦公室的能力，並沒有辦法一應俱全地去提供協助。","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:15:11.888889+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:15:45.857143+08:00","text":"立法院在過去沒有國際處，後來才有國際處，你們可以思考一下韓國的模式，像韓國的外交委員會就有派駐外交部的官員去協助召委處理相關的事務，我就不用再由我們國會辦公室的人員一個一個的去協助他們接觸這些窗口，等於說我一方面作為選區的委員，我要服務我們選區的民眾，另一方面，我們同時還要扮演外交部的角色。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:15:46.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:15:59.875000+08:00","text":"之前還有一些來自各國的智庫問是不是可以請召委幫忙聯繫陳永康委員或其他委員，我們當然都協助轉介，但是這對我們來說是一個很大的負擔。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:16:00.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:16:17+08:00","text":"所以我們希望未來外交部可以思考有任務型的人員，他不是跟人，而是跟著召集委員在他們工作的時候提供協助、進行轉介、做這個平臺上面的支援，我認為這是一個未來可以思考的方向。是。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:16:18.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:17:10.846154+08:00","text":"現在當我們出去的時候，大家會介紹我們是co-chair，但是其實做為一個co-chair，我們的資源很難去應付，臺灣已經慢慢變成中等國家，其實某種程度是中等國家的超級強權，因為以臺灣的經濟實力還有我們的各個指標，我們不是普通的中等國家，在中等國家裡面，我們已經接近G20的規模，而且我們出口到美國的量非常大，我們已經是美國第三大的進口來源國，所以這些都要納入我們的考量，就是未來要思考一下，下次可能不是我當召委，但是我覺得這個是應該要做的方向，特別是我們在擴大我們影響力的時候，部長是不是可以簡單回應一下？","quality":0.874},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-07-22T12:17:11+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:17:31.800000+08:00","text":"報告委員，剛剛有提到無人機，關於我們的無人機外交，外交部是一個平臺，我們有111個外館，都會跟各國交流，各國也會想要跟我們來往，所以我們在去年10月提出無人機外交，像澤倫斯基也在今年5月正式推動無人機外交。","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-07-22T12:17:32.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:18:10.571429+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們當然知道這涉及經濟部、國防部還有海委會等等，我們就是做一個平臺，我們有參考以前的一個人工智慧學校（AI Academy），我們希望鼓勵企業界可以組織起來，能夠有一個公協會跟我們對接，我們現在有一個無人機外交小組，這是任務編組，執行長在先前負責亞創中心，他也擔任過經發處處長，跟地方包括嘉義或是產業界都有很密切的關係。","quality":0.807},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-07-22T12:18:11.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:18:46.600000+08:00","text":"我們當然也會有一個單一的窗口，就是跟國際合作交流的平臺，然後再跟嘉義這邊來結合，包括亞創、現在在民雄開發新的園區，我們可以整理一些資訊並進行相關的媒合，還有舉辦競賽、展覽，另外就是做很多的訓練，我們的12個邦交國其實都很需要無人載具，這也變成一個很好的場域讓我們可以去向世界展示臺灣的實力。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-07-22T12:18:47.444444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:18:58.750000+08:00","text":"這個無人機外交除了邦交國以外，當然也包括非邦交國，我想大家最近很重視一點，就是我們國家的產品輸出到歐洲或中東的量越來越多。","quality":0.807},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-07-22T12:18:59+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:19:05.750000+08:00","text":"另外，像在我們隔壁的國家，包括菲律賓、日本，我們之間的交流合作也越來越多。","quality":0.719},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-07-22T12:19:06.444444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:19:14.750000+08:00","text":"我們就這個部分會再跟委員請益看怎麼樣透過委員進行中央跟地方的連結。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:19:15.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:19:19.750000+08:00","text":"第二個部分是外交部可不可以派員協助召集委員？","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-07-22T12:19:25+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:19:28.636364+08:00","text":"派外交部人員到召集委員那邊？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:19:29.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:19:30.666667+08:00","text":"對，協助處理一些事務。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-07-22T12:19:31+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:19:32.666667+08:00","text":"我們當然有國際處可以協助……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:19:33+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:19:41.500000+08:00","text":"部長，我們先不要說要或不要，因為這並不是是非題，我們要問的是可不可以參考其他國家的做法，比方說韓國是怎麼……","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-07-22T12:19:42+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:19:50.714286+08:00","text":"其實其他國家的國會都很強大，有很強的研究還有做國會外交上面的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:19:51+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:20:14.750000+08:00","text":"部長，抱歉，我再闡述得比較清晰一點，像韓國外委會的主席，外交部會派駐官員去協助召委聯絡相關事項，包含跟各個使節去接觸等等，就等於是由你們派駐在國會，他是針對召集委員。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:20:15.166667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:20:25.846154+08:00","text":"我認為可以參考一下韓國的做法，你先看一下他們為什麼要這樣做以及他們這樣做的成效是什麼，那我們接下來就可以做下一步了。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:20:26+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:20:26.888889+08:00","text":"我為什麼特別這樣講？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:20:27+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:21:08.812500+08:00","text":"因為不是只有韓國而已，我們上次在6月底出訪，我們那一次的出訪非常成功，大概有40個國會議員來參與我們「慶祝美國建國250週年紀念酒會」，當時我們看到一些資深的國會助理，有的是派駐在共和黨、有的是派駐在民主黨，他們會協助國會相關的主席，他們的薪資其實比國會議員還高，而且他們等於是長時間在那個地方提供協助，這是另外一個話題，這跟我說的由外交部派員是不同的事情。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:21:09+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:21:31.857143+08:00","text":"我一直想講的就是國會扮演這麼重要的角色，包括審查預算，國會對各個部會的節制力這麼大，可是相對的，國會議員必須要靠自己有限的能力，而不是靠政府提供協助的資源，其實我們的品質一定會受到影響。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:21:34.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:21:50.818182+08:00","text":"大家都說國會非常重要，因為國會有節制的作用，特別是國防部的重大預算，但是長時間都沒有派駐人員來協助我們去整理這些重要的資訊，所以每一次都有斷層，每一屆、每一個人都形成斷層。","quality":0.823},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:21:53+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:22:09.823529+08:00","text":"我藉這個機會順便講一下，就是現在我們立法院的這些文官都只是協助我們進行議事，而不是針對實質的內容提供協助，這兩者是分開的，我為什麼說要有外交部的官員來協助？","quality":0.753},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:22:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:22:36.500000+08:00","text":"有一部分的原因就是除了立法的這些議程、庶務之外，還有實質的外交事務，所以必須要有專業的官員長期在這邊，他不是serve我陳冠廷委員、馬文君委員或者是黃仁委員還是沈伯洋委員，不是！","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:22:37+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:22:42.833333+08:00","text":"他serve的是召集委員，性質上是協助實質的工作內容，我覺得可以思考一下這個部分。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:22:43.230769+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:23:09.818182+08:00","text":"我今天的質詢就先到這邊為止，希望部長能夠想一下，因為部長的經歷是從國安會到交通部、再到外交部，你應該也知道，國會扮演的角色這麼重要，可是卻沒有相應的工具讓國會做有效的審查，這個部分可不可以請部長回去以後真的想一下，好不好？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-07-22T12:23:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:23:26.764706+08:00","text":"好，我們再來請教委員，當然國會跟外交部其實也是立法、行政關係的一部分，關於應該怎麼組織、運作，看國際處怎麼去強化，因為委員會是國會運作的中心……","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:23:26.764706+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T12:23:27.764706+08:00","text":"對，委員會中心主義。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-07-22T12:23:27.588235+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:23:38.625000+08:00","text":"對於這個制度要怎麼樣去創新，我們確實很願意去聆聽，也會看要怎麼樣來參與。","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:23:39.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:23:52+08:00","text":"部長，老實說，你這個全面外交就是在做創新，創新有很多方式，我覺得部長可以聽聽看我這樣的建議。好。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-07-22T12:23:52.200000+08:00","gu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